Dear A.E., Why only Assam MPs? I heard that several other states would like to have autonomy as well. Why wouldn't they join the Assam MPs?
________________________________ From: Dhruba Jyoti Deka <[email protected]> To: assamnet org <[email protected]>; Chandan Mahanta <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, August 15, 2010 1:34:14 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] I Loved This One---from ToI Either Arms power or Third Country help. As Assam has limited seats in Parliament, the MP voice willn't work. This should be notebale. > From: [email protected] > Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 13:30:58 -0500 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Assam] I Loved This One---from ToI > > **** All you need to do is share YOUR notion of what the problems Assam has > and >HOW your concept of that AUTONOMY may help. > > That simple. > > > > > > > > On Aug 15, 2010, at 1:23 PM, Dilip and Dil Deka wrote: > > > " Now then, how would one know what YOUR concept of AUTONOMY comes with, if >or > > > when it does? And how could > > I or a SOVEREIGNTY partisan or anyone else could weigh, evaluate, the worth >of > > > os such autonomy UNLESS > > you explain, clearly and unambiguously , what YOUR concept of the PROBLEMS >are, > > > for which your idea of > > autonomy is going to be of any use or would be yet another piece of Indian > > make-believe, appearances-sake, > > > > deception ( note The Day of Deception mourning reported by Uttam this >morning) ? > > Again, the Devil is in the details." > > ---- This Autonomy thing has to be defined by the people who want it. It is > > not for outsiders to prescribe it. > > If you haven't, also see my email to Kamal today on a similar subject. The >govt. > > > definitely is not the one to define Autonomy. > > > > I agree the devil is in the details. But to get to the details, one has to >talk > > > about the concept first. I feel strongly that the concept > > must be brought to the parliament by the hens in stead of fearing the fox. > > Where is the hound to keep the fox away? > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Chan Mahanta <[email protected]> > > To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world > > <[email protected]> > > Sent: Sun, August 15, 2010 8:55:21 AM > > Subject: Re: [Assam] I Loved This One---from ToI > > > > > > On Aug 14, 2010, at 7:25 PM, Dilip and Dil Deka wrote: > > > >> "AUTONOMY, is the way for such redemption for some. And a true and >meaningful > > >> FEDERAL arrangement > >> could be for others. > >> That is the bottom line." > >> > >> ++++ I agree with your bottom line and I have been saying the same thing > >> in >the > > >> > >> net for a long time. > > > > > > **** Isn't it sad, nobody seems to care :-)? But, *I* try to give credit >where > > > credit is due' > > when I can. > > > > > >> Now we can breathe easier, SOVEREIGNTY is not your slogan > >> anymore. :-) > > > > > > **** I thought I could slip my 'about-face', as some of our charitable >friends > > > might characterize it, > > on the subject. But you steel-trap minded, kharkhowas caught me red-handed. > > > > Iinasmuch as I wish not to drive terror into the hearts of my fellow men > > with >my > > > SLOGANS or incitements > > > > or incendiary rhetoric or even undisguised calls for armed rebellion, here >you > > > are, unfortunately, reading more > > than you should be. > > > > > > **** WHY? > > > > For a very simple reason. All of you far-sighted ones who have waved around > > 'AUTONOMY' in this forum > > as A or THE solution for Assam, never, even with repeated challenges from >yours > > > truly, would come out > > and tell us WHAT the PROBLEM is, in your view, for which you proffer > > AUTONOMY >as > > > the solution. > > > > Why does that matter? > > > > As I explained a number of times before, it matters immensely, because WHAT >IF > > > this amazing AUTONOMY > > > > solution of your desires, does NOT include what it must , to deal with >Assam's > > > PROBLEMS ? > > > > > > Then what? > > > > Now then, how would one know what YOUR concept of AUTONOMY comes with, if > > or > > when it does? And how could > > I or a SOVEREIGNTY partisan or anyone else could weigh, evaluate, the worth >of > > > os such autonomy UNLESS > > you explain, clearly and unambiguously , what YOUR concept of the PROBLEMS >are, > > > for which your idea of > > autonomy is going to be of any use or would be yet another piece of Indian > > make-believe, appearances-sake, > > > > deception ( note The Day of Deception mourning reported by Uttam this >morning) ? > > > > Again, the Devil is in the details. > > > > > > > >> I totally support if some parliamentarians make the demand for > >> incorporation >of > > >> > >> Autonomy into the Indian constitution. Is there someone who will risk that? > > > > > > **** That is akin to asking the proverbial fox, if he should be the right > > one >to > > > guard the > > hen-house, wouldn't it? > > > > > > > >> Someone from Assam or J&K to make some noise in Loksabha? If it fails > >> first > >> time, try another time, then another .............? As far as I know no > >> one >has > > >> > >> tried it yet. > > > > > > **** Since the fox will never disqualify himself from hen-house guarding >duties, > > > should the wise-ones who > > > > have taken upon themselves to be keepers and masters of the restive >populations > > > , with the fox as their proxy, > > not propose it themselves, instead of continuing to conduct the world's >longest > > > running low-intensity warfare on its > > own population ? > > > > Does it give you any clues? Should it? > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> From: Chan Mahanta <[email protected]> > >> To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world > >> <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Sat, August 14, 2010 11:38:21 AM > >> Subject: Re: [Assam] I Loved This One---from ToI > >> > >>> I completely agree. But you aren't trying to paint with a broad brush are > >>> you ? :-). > >> > >> **** It is not a broad-brushing based on small or isolated examples. It is >the > > > > >> NORM, the > >> prevailing condition. Do you disagree? > >> > >>> In fact, when people demand a correction > >>> (as in CWG, or Hemanta Sarma) - things often fall in line. Such > >>> participation is paramount for a healthy democracy. > >> > >> *** So, is it something NEW? That has not been tried or done before? > >> But what has changed? > >> > >> > >> Participation YES, but that is an all encompassing truism. Like the truth >shall > > >> > >> prevail. > >> Or honesty is the best policy. Question is HOW, WHEn, WHO? The Devil here > >> is > > >> in > >> > >> the details. > >> > >> > >> What is OBVIOUS is that India does not have, it cannot muster the > >> POLITICAL > >> will > >> to CHANGE things. It cannot if it tried. It is TOO fRACTURED, it is TOO > >> disparate. > >> It tries the one size fits all approach, and gets nowhere. It will get > > nowhere. > >> > >> That is why it is paramount that the disparate peoples organize into > >> smaller > > >> entities and > >> > >> devise ways to manage their destinies , to be RESPONSIVE to their unique >needs, > > >> > >> WITHOUT > >> being held to ransom by far-flung forces that have NO DESIRE or ABILITY to >deal > > >> > >> with THEIR > >> specific needs. > >> > >> AUTONOMY, is the way for such redemption for some. And a true and > >> meaningful > > >> FEDERAL arrangement > >> could be for others. > >> > >> That is the bottom line. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Aug 14, 2010, at 10:38 AM, Ram Sarangapani wrote: > >> > >>> C'da, > >>> > >>>> What you always seem to miss, is this problem of ENFORCEMENT, of > >>> investigating, adjudicating > >>>> and punishing the corrupt, of punishing bad behavior and rewarding the > >>> good. > >>> > >>> Actually, I didn't miss it, just thought it is a given. > >>> > >>> Just enforcement too is not enough - the court systems are over burdened, > >>> and so are the good cops. > >>> > >>>> Generations of Indian now have not seen anything different. Many think >that > >>> is how it IS, others think > >>>> "they are like that only", yet others who know that it ought not be so, >but > >>> have no faith at all that things > >>>> could ever be changed. Also, generations of Indians have grown up thinking > >>> and believing that > >>>> they have democracy, the best, and things will take care of itself after > >>> they performed the > >>>> rituals of elekshuns. > >>> > >>> I completely agree. But you aren't trying to paint with a broad brush are > >>> you ? :-). In fact, when people demand a correction > >>> (as in CWG, or Hemanta Sarma) - things often fall in line. Such > >>> participation is paramount for a healthy democracy. > >>> > >>> --Ram > >>> > >>> On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Chan Mahanta <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> What you always seem to miss, is this problem of ENFORCEMENT, of > >>>> investigating, adjudicating > >>>> and punishing the corrupt, of punishing bad behavior and rewarding the > >>>> good. > >>>> > >>>> Generations of Indian now have not seen anything different. Many think >that > >>>> is how it IS, others think > >>>> "they are like that only", yet others who know that it ought not be so, >but > >>>> have no faith at all that things > >>>> could ever be changed. Also, generations of Indians have grown up thinking > >>>> and believing that > >>>> they have democracy, the best, and things will take care of itself after > >>>> they performed the > >>>> rituals of elekshuns. When it does not, they whine and moan. But they also > >>>> need to LIVE, make a living. > >>>> And they know ALL too well, that it is only ONE life to live. > >>>> > >>>> So what is your magic bullet for fixing thins. Is there ant y? > >>>> > >>>> Or could it be that a whole slew of things have to be done, over time, to > >>>> turn things around. > >>>> > >>>> And WHO will do that? WHEN? Has it started. Will it ever? > >>>> > >>>> If it has not even started, how could it be started? If it has, where, > >>>> what, how? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Aug 14, 2010, at 9:48 AM, Ram Sarangapani wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> C'da, > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks for fwding this. Really good - just loved it. > >>>>> > >>>>>> Only one complaint: Tiwari shoud have addressed it to the WORST of them > >>>>> all, not ALL of India. Ain't right to paint everyone with the same brush. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> But let's look at it from Tiwari's angle: Everywhere he looks, there is > >>>>> corruption - it's only a matter of degrees. While one might argue that a > >>>>> whole set of corrupt leaders are leading (and forcing) an easily > >>>> corruptible > >>>>> mass, such that corruption has become a way of life, and no longer an > >>>>> exception, but the rule - it must only be the fault of these leaders.... > >>>>> > >>>>> It does take two to tango. > >>>>> > >>>>> In the end, it all boils down to : do you pay Rs. 500 extra, and catch > >>>> your > >>>>> flight back to the US, or do you stand your ground, and hold on to those > >>>>> ideals, and maybe miss that flight. > >>>>> I would catch that flight :-), > >>>>> and still use the broad brush & blame all - bribers, and the bribees :-) > >>>>> > >>>>> --Ram > >>>>> > >>>>> On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Chan Mahanta <[email protected]> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> I loved this one. Only one complaint: Tiwari shoud have addressed it to > >>>>>> the WORST of them all, not ALL of India. Ain't right to paint everyone > >>>> with > >>>>>> the same brush. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> cm :-) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> >http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/bugs-eye-view/entry/mr-kalmadi-s-fake-statement > > >>>> t > >>>> t > >>>>>> Mr Kalmadi's (fake) statementAlok Tiwari, 14 August 2010, 02:53 PM IST > >>>>>> Last night I dreamt I was appointed the speechwriter and propagandist > >>>> for > >>>>>> Commonwealth Games Organising Committee chief Suresh Kalmadi. The > >>>>>> appointment happened through a dubious process the details of which I > >>>> shall > >>>>>> not bore you with. It was for an obscene amount of money paid into my > >>>>>> numbered Swiss bank account. As one of my first assignments, I wrote the > >>>>>> following statement for Mr Kalmadi: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> My fellow citizens, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Over the last few weeks, I have read and watched a series of reports > >>>> about > >>>>>> corruption in the organizing of Commonwealth Games. It has pained me no > >>>> end. > >>>>>> Some of those things I have tried to explain but what has shocked me is > >>>> the > >>>>>> demand for my exit. Each day there is a new disclosure and the chorus > >>>> begins > >>>>>> again. Therefore, I decided to confront the question head on. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Yes, corruption has taken place in holding of the games. Trails of quite > >>>> a > >>>>>> few scandals lead right up to my door. So I will not deny it. But what > >>>> is so > >>>>>> surprising about it? What did I do that had not been done before? To see > >>>> the > >>>>>> outpourings of outrage everywhere, it would appear Indians are seeing > >>>>>> corruption happen for the first time. Come on, let us shed that garb of > >>>>>> innocence. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Please come with me to the collectorate of any of our nearly 450 > >>>> districts. > >>>>>> Each one presided over by an IAS officer, the best and the brightest > >>>> among > >>>>>> us. Here you find people in their thousands waiting for such commonplace > >>>>>> things as domicile and caste certificates. There are contractors waiting > >>>> for > >>>>>> permits to mine materials such as boulders and gravel. My contractor > >>>> friend > >>>>>> tells me it takes 18 approvals to get one permit. Please try to get just > >>>> one > >>>>>> of them without giving a bribe or using a big name. The same goes for > >>>> each > >>>>>> certificate. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I could take you to the secretariat of each of our 30-odd states. Or to > >>>>>> ministries in New Delhi where even bigger deals are made. The story will > >>>> be > >>>>>> repeated on a progressively larger scale. Let us travel to any of the > >>>> RTO > >>>>>> offices. I dare you to have a vehicle registered or transferred, or just > >>>> pay > >>>>>> your tax without going through a tout or paying someone. Why, most of us > >>>>>> have driving licences. I ask each one of you to keep your hand on your > >>>> heart > >>>>>> and ask whether you got it by honestly appearing for a test or gave a > >>>> small > >>>>>> fee to someone to get it for you. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I also want you remember the last time you were booked for jumping a > >>>>>> traffic signal or wrongly parking your car. Did you quietly pay your > >>>> fine or > >>>>>> tried to settle the matter with the cop for a lower amount? Please get > >>>> me a > >>>>>> birth certificate from your local municipal office in a straightforward > >>>>>> manner. I could say the same about courts but for the risk of being > >>>> hauled > >>>>>> up for contempt. I shall still suggest that you spend a day in the court > >>>>>> complex of any district and check out the exemplary honesty and > >>>> integrity > >>>>>> with which everybody from peon to lawyers to judges work there. Let us > >>>> then > >>>>>> go to a PWD or an irrigation department office of your choice and try to > >>>>>> find a road or a dam built with complete honesty. I could go on. But you > >>>> get > >>>>>> the drift, right? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Somebody has thrown a CAG report on my face. Poor CAG has been writing > >>>> such > >>>>>> reports by the dozens about every department of every government at > >>>> every > >>>>>> level. I am yet to discover their utility other than providing > >>>> particularly > >>>>>> untalented reporters a means to live another day. The toilet paper in my > >>>>>> bathroom finds better use than those reports. It is the same with CVC. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> And, ah, the media… How can I forget my friends there? Please ask them > >>>>>> about the increasingly blurred line between advertising and commercials > >>>> so > >>>>>> that readers do not know what is paid for and what is not. What > >>>> editorial > >>>>>> integrity do we see when interviews and features on movies appear > >>>> sweetly > >>>>>> timed with their release? We had the scandal of paid political news > >>>> during > >>>>>> elections. I am yet to see an editor or an owner hauled over the coals > >>>> for > >>>>>> that or being asked to demit office. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> No, my compatriots, it is not corruption in CWG that bothers you. If > >>>> that > >>>>>> were the case, you would have lynched every district collector and every > >>>> RTO > >>>>>> in the country by now. You have long made peace with corruption. You > >>>> have > >>>>>> become part of it when you could. It is brazenness and scale of my > >>>>>> corruption that concerns you. That is the novelty element. If my team > >>>> had > >>>>>> kept itself limited to taking 10 or 20 per cent cut, you would be > >>>> looking > >>>>>> the other way. The media would find it boring to report that. What > >>>> shocks > >>>>>> you is that I paid Rs 9 lakh for hiring a treadmill that could be had > >>>> for Rs > >>>>>> 45,000. If I had done the deal at Rs 50,000 you would be OK with it. You > >>>> do > >>>>>> not mind people crossing the line. You mind them crossing it too openly. > >>>> But > >>>>>> you forget, friends, that once you allow crossing of lines you cannot > >>>> set > >>>>>> the rules for it. Also, I have only raised the bar here. Citius, Altius, > >>>>>> Fortius. Isn't that what having games is all about? Give me credit for > >>>> at > >>>>>> least that (though I'd prefer cash!). > >>>>>> > >>>>>> With all sincerity (or what is left of it amongst us), > >>>>>> Suresh Kalmadi > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Now, if only I could get Mr Kalmadi to sign it… > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> assam mailing list > >>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > >>>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> assam mailing list > >>>>> [email protected] > >>>>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> assam mailing list > >>>> [email protected] > >>>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > >>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> assam mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> assam mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > >> _______________________________________________ > >> assam mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > assam mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > > _______________________________________________ > > assam mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > > > _______________________________________________ > assam mailing list > [email protected] > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org _______________________________________________ assam mailing list [email protected] http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org _______________________________________________ assam mailing list [email protected] http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
