Why only Autonomy? Why not grow up like Maoist?
Political parties will remain same by their character, untill 356 is there. > Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 12:01:45 -0700 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Assam] I Loved This One---from ToI > > All MPs from Assam do not belong to the same party. The same applies to the > other states that I was talking about. > Are you saying there is not a single parliamentarian who wants to bring up > Autonomy? Even if interested parties pay him/them? :-) > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Chan Mahanta <[email protected]> > To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world > <[email protected]> > Sent: Sun, August 15, 2010 1:53:59 PM > Subject: Re: [Assam] I Loved This One---from ToI > > Why would the Assam MPs want a radical change in doing business? Why would > the > Congress MPs even think of it, > > nijor xandooh khowa baali tololoi nibole'? > > > > > > > On Aug 15, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Dilip Deka wrote: > > > Dear A.E., > > Why only Assam MPs? I heard that several other states would like to have > > autonomy as well. Why wouldn't they join the Assam MPs? > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Dhruba Jyoti Deka <[email protected]> > > To: assamnet org <[email protected]>; Chandan Mahanta <[email protected]> > > Sent: Sun, August 15, 2010 1:34:14 PM > > Subject: Re: [Assam] I Loved This One---from ToI > > > > > > Either Arms power or Third Country help. > > > > > > > > As Assam has limited seats in Parliament, the MP voice willn't work. This > >should > > > > be notebale. > > > > > > > > > > > >> From: [email protected] > >> Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 13:30:58 -0500 > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: Re: [Assam] I Loved This One---from ToI > >> > >> **** All you need to do is share YOUR notion of what the problems Assam > >> has and > >> > >> HOW your concept of that AUTONOMY may help. > >> > >> That simple. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Aug 15, 2010, at 1:23 PM, Dilip and Dil Deka wrote: > >> > >>> " Now then, how would one know what YOUR concept of AUTONOMY comes with, > >>> if > >> or > >> > >>> when it does? And how could > >>> I or a SOVEREIGNTY partisan or anyone else could weigh, evaluate, the > >>> worth > >> of > >> > >>> os such autonomy UNLESS > >>> you explain, clearly and unambiguously , what YOUR concept of the > >>> PROBLEMS > >> are, > >> > >>> for which your idea of > >>> autonomy is going to be of any use or would be yet another piece of > >>> Indian > >>> make-believe, appearances-sake, > >>> > >>> deception ( note The Day of Deception mourning reported by Uttam this > >> morning) ? > >>> Again, the Devil is in the details." > >>> ---- This Autonomy thing has to be defined by the people who want it. It > >>> is > >>> not for outsiders to prescribe it. > >>> If you haven't, also see my email to Kamal today on a similar subject. > >>> The > >> govt. > >> > >>> definitely is not the one to define Autonomy. > >>> > >>> I agree the devil is in the details. But to get to the details, one has > >>> to > >> talk > >> > >>> about the concept first. I feel strongly that the concept > >>> must be brought to the parliament by the hens in stead of fearing the > >>> fox. > >>> Where is the hound to keep the fox away? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ________________________________ > >>> From: Chan Mahanta <[email protected]> > >>> To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world > >>> <[email protected]> > >>> Sent: Sun, August 15, 2010 8:55:21 AM > >>> Subject: Re: [Assam] I Loved This One---from ToI > >>> > >>> > >>> On Aug 14, 2010, at 7:25 PM, Dilip and Dil Deka wrote: > >>> > >>>> "AUTONOMY, is the way for such redemption for some. And a true and > >> meaningful > >> > >>>> FEDERAL arrangement > >>>> could be for others. > >>>> That is the bottom line." > >>>> > >>>> ++++ I agree with your bottom line and I have been saying the same thing > >>>> in > > >> the > >> > >>>> > >>>> net for a long time. > >>> > >>> > >>> **** Isn't it sad, nobody seems to care :-)? But, *I* try to give credit > >> where > >> > >>> credit is due' > >>> when I can. > >>> > >>> > >>>> Now we can breathe easier, SOVEREIGNTY is not your slogan > >>>> anymore. :-) > >>> > >>> > >>> **** I thought I could slip my 'about-face', as some of our charitable > >> friends > >> > >>> might characterize it, > >>> on the subject. But you steel-trap minded, kharkhowas caught me > >>> red-handed. > >>> > >>> Iinasmuch as I wish not to drive terror into the hearts of my fellow men > >>> with > > > >> my > >> > >>> SLOGANS or incitements > >>> > >>> or incendiary rhetoric or even undisguised calls for armed rebellion, > >>> here > >> you > >> > >>> are, unfortunately, reading more > >>> than you should be. > >>> > >>> > >>> **** WHY? > >>> > >>> For a very simple reason. All of you far-sighted ones who have waved > >>> around > >>> 'AUTONOMY' in this forum > >>> as A or THE solution for Assam, never, even with repeated challenges from > >> yours > >> > >>> truly, would come out > >>> and tell us WHAT the PROBLEM is, in your view, for which you proffer > >>> AUTONOMY > > > >> as > >> > >>> the solution. > >>> > >>> Why does that matter? > >>> > >>> As I explained a number of times before, it matters immensely, because > >>> WHAT > >> IF > >> > >>> this amazing AUTONOMY > >>> > >>> solution of your desires, does NOT include what it must , to deal with > >> Assam's > >> > >>> PROBLEMS ? > >>> > >>> > >>> Then what? > >>> > >>> Now then, how would one know what YOUR concept of AUTONOMY comes with, if > >>> or > > > > >>> when it does? And how could > >>> I or a SOVEREIGNTY partisan or anyone else could weigh, evaluate, the > >>> worth > >> of > >> > >>> os such autonomy UNLESS > >>> you explain, clearly and unambiguously , what YOUR concept of the > >>> PROBLEMS > >> are, > >> > >>> for which your idea of > >>> autonomy is going to be of any use or would be yet another piece of > >>> Indian > >>> make-believe, appearances-sake, > >>> > >>> deception ( note The Day of Deception mourning reported by Uttam this > >> morning) ? > >>> > >>> Again, the Devil is in the details. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> I totally support if some parliamentarians make the demand for > >>>> incorporation > > > >> of > >> > >>>> > >>>> Autonomy into the Indian constitution. Is there someone who will risk > >>>> that? > >>> > >>> > >>> **** That is akin to asking the proverbial fox, if he should be the right > >>> one > > > >> to > >> > >>> guard the > >>> hen-house, wouldn't it? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> Someone from Assam or J&K to make some noise in Loksabha? If it fails > >>>> first > > > > >>>> time, try another time, then another .............? As far as I know no > >>>> one > > >> has > >> > >>>> > >>>> tried it yet. > >>> > >>> > >>> **** Since the fox will never disqualify himself from hen-house guarding > >> duties, > >> > >>> should the wise-ones who > >>> > >>> have taken upon themselves to be keepers and masters of the restive > >> populations > >> > >>> , with the fox as their proxy, > >>> not propose it themselves, instead of continuing to conduct the world's > >> longest > >> > >>> running low-intensity warfare on its > >>> own population ? > >>> > >>> Does it give you any clues? Should it? > >>> > >>> > >>> :-) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ________________________________ > >>>> From: Chan Mahanta <[email protected]> > >>>> To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world > >>>> <[email protected]> > >>>> Sent: Sat, August 14, 2010 11:38:21 AM > >>>> Subject: Re: [Assam] I Loved This One---from ToI > >>>> > >>>>> I completely agree. But you aren't trying to paint with a broad brush > >>>>> are > >>>>> you ? :-). > >>>> > >>>> **** It is not a broad-brushing based on small or isolated examples. It > >>>> is > >> the > >> > >>> > >>>> NORM, the > >>>> prevailing condition. Do you disagree? > >>>> > >>>>> In fact, when people demand a correction > >>>>> (as in CWG, or Hemanta Sarma) - things often fall in line. Such > >>>>> participation is paramount for a healthy democracy. > >>>> > >>>> *** So, is it something NEW? That has not been tried or done before? > >>>> But what has changed? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Participation YES, but that is an all encompassing truism. Like the > >>>> truth > >> shall > >> > >>>> > >>>> prevail. > >>>> Or honesty is the best policy. Question is HOW, WHEn, WHO? The Devil > >>>> here is > > > >> > >>>> in > >>>> > >>>> the details. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> What is OBVIOUS is that India does not have, it cannot muster the > >>>> POLITICAL > > > > >>>> will > >>>> to CHANGE things. It cannot if it tried. It is TOO fRACTURED, it is TOO > >>>> disparate. > >>>> It tries the one size fits all approach, and gets nowhere. It will get > >>> nowhere. > >>>> > >>>> That is why it is paramount that the disparate peoples organize into > >>>> smaller > > > >> > >>>> entities and > >>>> > >>>> devise ways to manage their destinies , to be RESPONSIVE to their unique > >> needs, > >> > >>>> > >>>> WITHOUT > >>>> being held to ransom by far-flung forces that have NO DESIRE or ABILITY > >>>> to > >> deal > >> > >>>> > >>>> with THEIR > >>>> specific needs. > >>>> > >>>> AUTONOMY, is the way for such redemption for some. And a true and > >>>> meaningful > > > >> > >>>> FEDERAL arrangement > >>>> could be for others. > >>>> > >>>> That is the bottom line. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Aug 14, 2010, at 10:38 AM, Ram Sarangapani wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> C'da, > >>>>> > >>>>>> What you always seem to miss, is this problem of ENFORCEMENT, of > >>>>> investigating, adjudicating > >>>>>> and punishing the corrupt, of punishing bad behavior and rewarding the > >>>>> good. > >>>>> > >>>>> Actually, I didn't miss it, just thought it is a given. > >>>>> > >>>>> Just enforcement too is not enough - the court systems are over > >>>>> burdened, > >>>>> and so are the good cops. > >>>>> > >>>>>> Generations of Indian now have not seen anything different. Many think > >> that > >>>>> is how it IS, others think > >>>>>> "they are like that only", yet others who know that it ought not be > >>>>>> so, > >> but > >>>>> have no faith at all that things > >>>>>> could ever be changed. Also, generations of Indians have grown up > > thinking > >>>>> and believing that > >>>>>> they have democracy, the best, and things will take care of itself > >>>>>> after > >>>>> they performed the > >>>>>> rituals of elekshuns. > >>>>> > >>>>> I completely agree. But you aren't trying to paint with a broad brush > >>>>> are > >>>>> you ? :-). In fact, when people demand a correction > >>>>> (as in CWG, or Hemanta Sarma) - things often fall in line. Such > >>>>> participation is paramount for a healthy democracy. > >>>>> > >>>>> --Ram > >>>>> > >>>>> On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Chan Mahanta <[email protected]> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> What you always seem to miss, is this problem of ENFORCEMENT, of > >>>>>> investigating, adjudicating > >>>>>> and punishing the corrupt, of punishing bad behavior and rewarding the > >>>>>> good. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Generations of Indian now have not seen anything different. Many think > >> that > >>>>>> is how it IS, others think > >>>>>> "they are like that only", yet others who know that it ought not be > >>>>>> so, > >> but > >>>>>> have no faith at all that things > >>>>>> could ever be changed. Also, generations of Indians have grown up > > thinking > >>>>>> and believing that > >>>>>> they have democracy, the best, and things will take care of itself > >>>>>> after > >>>>>> they performed the > >>>>>> rituals of elekshuns. When it does not, they whine and moan. But they > > also > >>>>>> need to LIVE, make a living. > >>>>>> And they know ALL too well, that it is only ONE life to live. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> So what is your magic bullet for fixing thins. Is there ant y? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Or could it be that a whole slew of things have to be done, over time, > >>>>>> to > >>>>>> turn things around. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> And WHO will do that? WHEN? Has it started. Will it ever? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> If it has not even started, how could it be started? If it has, where, > >>>>>> what, how? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Aug 14, 2010, at 9:48 AM, Ram Sarangapani wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> C'da, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thanks for fwding this. Really good - just loved it. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Only one complaint: Tiwari shoud have addressed it to the WORST of > >>>>>>>> them > >>>>>>> all, not ALL of India. Ain't right to paint everyone with the same > > brush. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> But let's look at it from Tiwari's angle: Everywhere he looks, there > >>>>>>> is > >>>>>>> corruption - it's only a matter of degrees. While one might argue > >>>>>>> that a > >>>>>>> whole set of corrupt leaders are leading (and forcing) an easily > >>>>>> corruptible > >>>>>>> mass, such that corruption has become a way of life, and no longer an > >>>>>>> exception, but the rule - it must only be the fault of these > >>>>>>> leaders.... > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> It does take two to tango. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> In the end, it all boils down to : do you pay Rs. 500 extra, and catch > >>>>>> your > >>>>>>> flight back to the US, or do you stand your ground, and hold on to > >>>>>>> those > >>>>>>> ideals, and maybe miss that flight. > >>>>>>> I would catch that flight :-), > >>>>>>> and still use the broad brush & blame all - bribers, and the bribees > >>>>>>> :-) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> --Ram > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Chan Mahanta <[email protected]> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I loved this one. Only one complaint: Tiwari shoud have addressed it > >>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>> the WORST of them all, not ALL of India. Ain't right to paint > >>>>>>>> everyone > >>>>>> with > >>>>>>>> the same brush. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> cm :-) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/bugs-eye-view/entry/mr-kalmadi-s-fake-statement > >>t > >> > >>>>>> t > >>>>>> t > >>>>>>>> Mr Kalmadi's (fake) statementAlok Tiwari, 14 August 2010, 02:53 PM > >>>>>>>> IST > >>>>>>>> Last night I dreamt I was appointed the speechwriter and propagandist > >>>>>> for > >>>>>>>> Commonwealth Games Organising Committee chief Suresh Kalmadi. The > >>>>>>>> appointment happened through a dubious process the details of which I > >>>>>> shall > >>>>>>>> not bore you with. It was for an obscene amount of money paid into my > >>>>>>>> numbered Swiss bank account. As one of my first assignments, I wrote > > the > >>>>>>>> following statement for Mr Kalmadi: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> My fellow citizens, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Over the last few weeks, I have read and watched a series of reports > >>>>>> about > >>>>>>>> corruption in the organizing of Commonwealth Games. It has pained me > >>>>>>>> no > >>>>>> end. > >>>>>>>> Some of those things I have tried to explain but what has shocked me > >>>>>>>> is > >>>>>> the > >>>>>>>> demand for my exit. Each day there is a new disclosure and the chorus > >>>>>> begins > >>>>>>>> again. Therefore, I decided to confront the question head on. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Yes, corruption has taken place in holding of the games. Trails of > > quite > >>>>>> a > >>>>>>>> few scandals lead right up to my door. So I will not deny it. But > >>>>>>>> what > >>>>>> is so > >>>>>>>> surprising about it? What did I do that had not been done before? To > > see > >>>>>> the > >>>>>>>> outpourings of outrage everywhere, it would appear Indians are seeing > >>>>>>>> corruption happen for the first time. Come on, let us shed that garb > >>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>> innocence. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Please come with me to the collectorate of any of our nearly 450 > >>>>>> districts. > >>>>>>>> Each one presided over by an IAS officer, the best and the brightest > >>>>>> among > >>>>>>>> us. Here you find people in their thousands waiting for such > > commonplace > >>>>>>>> things as domicile and caste certificates. There are contractors > > waiting > >>>>>> for > >>>>>>>> permits to mine materials such as boulders and gravel. My contractor > >>>>>> friend > >>>>>>>> tells me it takes 18 approvals to get one permit. Please try to get > > just > >>>>>> one > >>>>>>>> of them without giving a bribe or using a big name. The same goes for > >>>>>> each > >>>>>>>> certificate. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I could take you to the secretariat of each of our 30-odd states. Or > >>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>> ministries in New Delhi where even bigger deals are made. The story > > will > >>>>>> be > >>>>>>>> repeated on a progressively larger scale. Let us travel to any of the > >>>>>> RTO > >>>>>>>> offices. I dare you to have a vehicle registered or transferred, or > > just > >>>>>> pay > >>>>>>>> your tax without going through a tout or paying someone. Why, most > >>>>>>>> of > > us > >>>>>>>> have driving licences. I ask each one of you to keep your hand on > >>>>>>>> your > >>>>>> heart > >>>>>>>> and ask whether you got it by honestly appearing for a test or gave a > >>>>>> small > >>>>>>>> fee to someone to get it for you. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I also want you remember the last time you were booked for jumping a > >>>>>>>> traffic signal or wrongly parking your car. Did you quietly pay your > >>>>>> fine or > >>>>>>>> tried to settle the matter with the cop for a lower amount? Please > >>>>>>>> get > >>>>>> me a > >>>>>>>> birth certificate from your local municipal office in a > >>>>>>>> straightforward > >>>>>>>> manner. I could say the same about courts but for the risk of being > >>>>>> hauled > >>>>>>>> up for contempt. I shall still suggest that you spend a day in the > > court > >>>>>>>> complex of any district and check out the exemplary honesty and > >>>>>> integrity > >>>>>>>> with which everybody from peon to lawyers to judges work there. Let > >>>>>>>> us > >>>>>> then > >>>>>>>> go to a PWD or an irrigation department office of your choice and > >>>>>>>> try > > to > >>>>>>>> find a road or a dam built with complete honesty. I could go on. But > > you > >>>>>> get > >>>>>>>> the drift, right? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Somebody has thrown a CAG report on my face. Poor CAG has been > >>>>>>>> writing > >>>>>> such > >>>>>>>> reports by the dozens about every department of every government at > >>>>>> every > >>>>>>>> level. I am yet to discover their utility other than providing > >>>>>> particularly > >>>>>>>> untalented reporters a means to live another day. The toilet paper > >>>>>>>> in > > my > >>>>>>>> bathroom finds better use than those reports. It is the same with > >>>>>>>> CVC. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> And, ah, the media… How can I forget my friends there? Please ask > >>>>>>>> them > >>>>>>>> about the increasingly blurred line between advertising and > >>>>>>>> commercials > >>>>>> so > >>>>>>>> that readers do not know what is paid for and what is not. What > >>>>>> editorial > >>>>>>>> integrity do we see when interviews and features on movies appear > >>>>>> sweetly > >>>>>>>> timed with their release? We had the scandal of paid political news > >>>>>> during > >>>>>>>> elections. I am yet to see an editor or an owner hauled over the > >>>>>>>> coals > >>>>>> for > >>>>>>>> that or being asked to demit office. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> No, my compatriots, it is not corruption in CWG that bothers you. If > >>>>>> that > >>>>>>>> were the case, you would have lynched every district collector and > > every > >>>>>> RTO > >>>>>>>> in the country by now. You have long made peace with corruption. You > >>>>>> have > >>>>>>>> become part of it when you could. It is brazenness and scale of my > >>>>>>>> corruption that concerns you. That is the novelty element. If my team > >>>>>> had > >>>>>>>> kept itself limited to taking 10 or 20 per cent cut, you would be > >>>>>> looking > >>>>>>>> the other way. The media would find it boring to report that. What > >>>>>> shocks > >>>>>>>> you is that I paid Rs 9 lakh for hiring a treadmill that could be had > >>>>>> for Rs > >>>>>>>> 45,000. If I had done the deal at Rs 50,000 you would be OK with it. > > You > >>>>>> do > >>>>>>>> not mind people crossing the line. You mind them crossing it too > > openly. > >>>>>> But > >>>>>>>> you forget, friends, that once you allow crossing of lines you cannot > >>>>>> set > >>>>>>>> the rules for it. Also, I have only raised the bar here. Citius, > > Altius, > >>>>>>>> Fortius. Isn't that what having games is all about? Give me credit > >>>>>>>> for > >>>>>> at > >>>>>>>> least that (though I'd prefer cash!). > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> With all sincerity (or what is left of it amongst us), > >>>>>>>> Suresh Kalmadi > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Now, if only I could get Mr Kalmadi to sign it… > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>> assam mailing list > >>>>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>>>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> assam mailing list > >>>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> assam mailing list > >>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > >>>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> assam mailing list > >>>>> [email protected] > >>>>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> assam mailing list > >>>> [email protected] > >>>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> assam mailing list > >>>> [email protected] > >>>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> assam mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> assam mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> assam mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > assam mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > > _______________________________________________ > > assam mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > > > _______________________________________________ > assam mailing list > [email protected] > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > _______________________________________________ > assam mailing list > [email protected] > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org _______________________________________________ assam mailing list [email protected] http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
