> Third Country help. *** I will be perfectly willing to bet a rupee against my friends here, that in all probabilities MMS 's offer to Kashmir came as a result from a likely phone call from Hillary Clinton, if not the White House itself.
Dilli must be scared stiff about the Kashmir violence on-going till and thru the Corruptwealth Gaming , while the place will be full of foreign reporters and TV crews. And if I am guessing right, the Kashmiris won't let up, way into November , when Obama will be visiting. On Aug 15, 2010, at 1:34 PM, Dhruba Jyoti Deka wrote: > Either Arms power or Third Country help. > > As Assam has limited seats in Parliament, the MP voice willn't work. This > should be notebale. > > > > > From: [email protected] > > Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 13:30:58 -0500 > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [Assam] I Loved This One---from ToI > > > > **** All you need to do is share YOUR notion of what the problems Assam has > > and HOW your concept of that AUTONOMY may help. > > > > That simple. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 15, 2010, at 1:23 PM, Dilip and Dil Deka wrote: > > > > > " Now then, how would one know what YOUR concept of AUTONOMY comes with, > > > if or > > > when it does? And how could > > > I or a SOVEREIGNTY partisan or anyone else could weigh, evaluate, the > > > worth of > > > os such autonomy UNLESS > > > you explain, clearly and unambiguously , what YOUR concept of the > > > PROBLEMS are, > > > for which your idea of > > > autonomy is going to be of any use or would be yet another piece of > > > Indian > > > make-believe, appearances-sake, > > > > > > deception ( note The Day of Deception mourning reported by Uttam this > > > morning) ? > > > Again, the Devil is in the details." > > > ---- This Autonomy thing has to be defined by the people who want it. It > > > is > > > not for outsiders to prescribe it. > > > If you haven't, also see my email to Kamal today on a similar subject. > > > The govt. > > > definitely is not the one to define Autonomy. > > > > > > I agree the devil is in the details. But to get to the details, one has > > > to talk > > > about the concept first. I feel strongly that the concept > > > must be brought to the parliament by the hens in stead of fearing the > > > fox. > > > Where is the hound to keep the fox away? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Chan Mahanta <[email protected]> > > > To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world > > > <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Sun, August 15, 2010 8:55:21 AM > > > Subject: Re: [Assam] I Loved This One---from ToI > > > > > > > > > On Aug 14, 2010, at 7:25 PM, Dilip and Dil Deka wrote: > > > > > >> "AUTONOMY, is the way for such redemption for some. And a true and > > >> meaningful > > >> FEDERAL arrangement > > >> could be for others. > > >> That is the bottom line." > > >> > > >> ++++ I agree with your bottom line and I have been saying the same thing > > >> in the > > >> > > >> net for a long time. > > > > > > > > > **** Isn't it sad, nobody seems to care :-)? But, *I* try to give credit > > > where > > > credit is due' > > > when I can. > > > > > > > > >> Now we can breathe easier, SOVEREIGNTY is not your slogan > > >> anymore. :-) > > > > > > > > > **** I thought I could slip my 'about-face', as some of our charitable > > > friends > > > might characterize it, > > > on the subject. But you steel-trap minded, kharkhowas caught me > > > red-handed. > > > > > > Iinasmuch as I wish not to drive terror into the hearts of my fellow men > > > with my > > > SLOGANS or incitements > > > > > > or incendiary rhetoric or even undisguised calls for armed rebellion, > > > here you > > > are, unfortunately, reading more > > > than you should be. > > > > > > > > > **** WHY? > > > > > > For a very simple reason. All of you far-sighted ones who have waved > > > around > > > 'AUTONOMY' in this forum > > > as A or THE solution for Assam, never, even with repeated challenges from > > > yours > > > truly, would come out > > > and tell us WHAT the PROBLEM is, in your view, for which you proffer > > > AUTONOMY as > > > the solution. > > > > > > Why does that matter? > > > > > > As I explained a number of times before, it matters immensely, because > > > WHAT IF > > > this amazing AUTONOMY > > > > > > solution of your desires, does NOT include what it must , to deal with > > > Assam's > > > PROBLEMS ? > > > > > > > > > Then what? > > > > > > Now then, how would one know what YOUR concept of AUTONOMY comes with, if > > > or > > > when it does? And how could > > > I or a SOVEREIGNTY partisan or anyone else could weigh, evaluate, the > > > worth of > > > os such autonomy UNLESS > > > you explain, clearly and unambiguously , what YOUR concept of the > > > PROBLEMS are, > > > for which your idea of > > > autonomy is going to be of any use or would be yet another piece of > > > Indian > > > make-believe, appearances-sake, > > > > > > deception ( note The Day of Deception mourning reported by Uttam this > > > morning) ? > > > > > > Again, the Devil is in the details. > > > > > > > > > > > >> I totally support if some parliamentarians make the demand for > > >> incorporation of > > >> > > >> Autonomy into the Indian constitution. Is there someone who will risk > > >> that? > > > > > > > > > **** That is akin to asking the proverbial fox, if he should be the right > > > one to > > > guard the > > > hen-house, wouldn't it? > > > > > > > > > > > >> Someone from Assam or J&K to make some noise in Loksabha? If it fails > > >> first > > >> time, try another time, then another .............? As far as I know no > > >> one has > > >> > > >> tried it yet. > > > > > > > > > **** Since the fox will never disqualify himself from hen-house guarding > > > duties, > > > should the wise-ones who > > > > > > have taken upon themselves to be keepers and masters of the restive > > > populations > > > , with the fox as their proxy, > > > not propose it themselves, instead of continuing to conduct the world's > > > longest > > > running low-intensity warfare on its > > > own population ? > > > > > > Does it give you any clues? Should it? > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ________________________________ > > >> From: Chan Mahanta <[email protected]> > > >> To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world > > >> <[email protected]> > > >> Sent: Sat, August 14, 2010 11:38:21 AM > > >> Subject: Re: [Assam] I Loved This One---from ToI > > >> > > >>> I completely agree. But you aren't trying to paint with a broad brush > > >>> are > > >>> you ? :-). > > >> > > >> **** It is not a broad-brushing based on small or isolated examples. It > > >> is the > > > > > >> NORM, the > > >> prevailing condition. Do you disagree? > > >> > > >>> In fact, when people demand a correction > > >>> (as in CWG, or Hemanta Sarma) - things often fall in line. Such > > >>> participation is paramount for a healthy democracy. > > >> > > >> *** So, is it something NEW? That has not been tried or done before? > > >> But what has changed? > > >> > > >> > > >> Participation YES, but that is an all encompassing truism. Like the > > >> truth shall > > >> > > >> prevail. > > >> Or honesty is the best policy. Question is HOW, WHEn, WHO? The Devil > > >> here is > > >> in > > >> > > >> the details. > > >> > > >> > > >> What is OBVIOUS is that India does not have, it cannot muster the > > >> POLITICAL > > >> will > > >> to CHANGE things. It cannot if it tried. It is TOO fRACTURED, it is TOO > > >> disparate. > > >> It tries the one size fits all approach, and gets nowhere. It will get > > > nowhere. > > >> > > >> That is why it is paramount that the disparate peoples organize into > > >> smaller > > >> entities and > > >> > > >> devise ways to manage their destinies , to be RESPONSIVE to their unique > > >> needs, > > >> > > >> WITHOUT > > >> being held to ransom by far-flung forces that have NO DESIRE or ABILITY > > >> to deal > > >> > > >> with THEIR > > >> specific needs. > > >> > > >> AUTONOMY, is the way for such redemption for some. And a true and > > >> meaningful > > >> FEDERAL arrangement > > >> could be for others. > > >> > > >> That is the bottom line. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On Aug 14, 2010, at 10:38 AM, Ram Sarangapani wrote: > > >> > > >>> C'da, > > >>> > > >>>> What you always seem to miss, is this problem of ENFORCEMENT, of > > >>> investigating, adjudicating > > >>>> and punishing the corrupt, of punishing bad behavior and rewarding the > > >>> good. > > >>> > > >>> Actually, I didn't miss it, just thought it is a given. > > >>> > > >>> Just enforcement too is not enough - the court systems are over > > >>> burdened, > > >>> and so are the good cops. > > >>> > > >>>> Generations of Indian now have not seen anything different. Many think > > >>>> that > > >>> is how it IS, others think > > >>>> "they are like that only", yet others who know that it ought not be > > >>>> so, but > > >>> have no faith at all that things > > >>>> could ever be changed. Also, generations of Indians have grown up > > >>>> thinking > > >>> and believing that > > >>>> they have democracy, the best, and things will take care of itself > > >>>> after > > >>> they performed the > > >>>> rituals of elekshuns. > > >>> > > >>> I completely agree. But you aren't trying to paint with a broad brush > > >>> are > > >>> you ? :-). In fact, when people demand a correction > > >>> (as in CWG, or Hemanta Sarma) - things often fall in line. Such > > >>> participation is paramount for a healthy democracy. > > >>> > > >>> --Ram > > >>> > > >>> On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Chan Mahanta <[email protected]> > > >>> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> What you always seem to miss, is this problem of ENFORCEMENT, of > > >>>> investigating, adjudicating > > >>>> and punishing the corrupt, of punishing bad behavior and rewarding the > > >>>> good. > > >>>> > > >>>> Generations of Indian now have not seen anything different. Many think > > >>>> that > > >>>> is how it IS, others think > > >>>> "they are like that only", yet others who know that it ought not be > > >>>> so, but > > >>>> have no faith at all that things > > >>>> could ever be changed. Also, generations of Indians have grown up > > >>>> thinking > > >>>> and believing that > > >>>> they have democracy, the best, and things will take care of itself > > >>>> after > > >>>> they performed the > > >>>> rituals of elekshuns. When it does not, they whine and moan. But they > > >>>> also > > >>>> need to LIVE, make a living. > > >>>> And they know ALL too well, that it is only ONE life to live. > > >>>> > > >>>> So what is your magic bullet for fixing thins. Is there ant y? > > >>>> > > >>>> Or could it be that a whole slew of things have to be done, over time, > > >>>> to > > >>>> turn things around. > > >>>> > > >>>> And WHO will do that? WHEN? Has it started. Will it ever? > > >>>> > > >>>> If it has not even started, how could it be started? If it has, where, > > >>>> what, how? > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> On Aug 14, 2010, at 9:48 AM, Ram Sarangapani wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> C'da, > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Thanks for fwding this. Really good - just loved it. > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> Only one complaint: Tiwari shoud have addressed it to the WORST of > > >>>>>> them > > >>>>> all, not ALL of India. Ain't right to paint everyone with the same > > >>>>> brush. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> But let's look at it from Tiwari's angle: Everywhere he looks, there > > >>>>> is > > >>>>> corruption - it's only a matter of degrees. While one might argue > > >>>>> that a > > >>>>> whole set of corrupt leaders are leading (and forcing) an easily > > >>>> corruptible > > >>>>> mass, such that corruption has become a way of life, and no longer an > > >>>>> exception, but the rule - it must only be the fault of these > > >>>>> leaders.... > > >>>>> > > >>>>> It does take two to tango. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> In the end, it all boils down to : do you pay Rs. 500 extra, and catch > > >>>> your > > >>>>> flight back to the US, or do you stand your ground, and hold on to > > >>>>> those > > >>>>> ideals, and maybe miss that flight. > > >>>>> I would catch that flight :-), > > >>>>> and still use the broad brush & blame all - bribers, and the bribees > > >>>>> :-) > > >>>>> > > >>>>> --Ram > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Chan Mahanta <[email protected]> > > >>>> wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> I loved this one. Only one complaint: Tiwari shoud have addressed it > > >>>>>> to > > >>>>>> the WORST of them all, not ALL of India. Ain't right to paint > > >>>>>> everyone > > >>>> with > > >>>>>> the same brush. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> cm :-) > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>> http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/bugs-eye-view/entry/mr-kalmadi-s-fake-statement > > >>>> t > > >>>> t > > >>>>>> Mr Kalmadi's (fake) statementAlok Tiwari, 14 August 2010, 02:53 PM > > >>>>>> IST > > >>>>>> Last night I dreamt I was appointed the speechwriter and propagandist > > >>>> for > > >>>>>> Commonwealth Games Organising Committee chief Suresh Kalmadi. The > > >>>>>> appointment happened through a dubious process the details of which I > > >>>> shall > > >>>>>> not bore you with. It was for an obscene amount of money paid into my > > >>>>>> numbered Swiss bank account. As one of my first assignments, I wrote > > >>>>>> the > > >>>>>> following statement for Mr Kalmadi: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> My fellow citizens, > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Over the last few weeks, I have read and watched a series of reports > > >>>> about > > >>>>>> corruption in the organizing of Commonwealth Games. It has pained me > > >>>>>> no > > >>>> end. > > >>>>>> Some of those things I have tried to explain but what has shocked me > > >>>>>> is > > >>>> the > > >>>>>> demand for my exit. Each day there is a new disclosure and the chorus > > >>>> begins > > >>>>>> again. Therefore, I decided to confront the question head on. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Yes, corruption has taken place in holding of the games. Trails of > > >>>>>> quite > > >>>> a > > >>>>>> few scandals lead right up to my door. So I will not deny it. But > > >>>>>> what > > >>>> is so > > >>>>>> surprising about it? What did I do that had not been done before? To > > >>>>>> see > > >>>> the > > >>>>>> outpourings of outrage everywhere, it would appear Indians are seeing > > >>>>>> corruption happen for the first time. Come on, let us shed that garb > > >>>>>> of > > >>>>>> innocence. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Please come with me to the collectorate of any of our nearly 450 > > >>>> districts. > > >>>>>> Each one presided over by an IAS officer, the best and the brightest > > >>>> among > > >>>>>> us. Here you find people in their thousands waiting for such > > >>>>>> commonplace > > >>>>>> things as domicile and caste certificates. There are contractors > > >>>>>> waiting > > >>>> for > > >>>>>> permits to mine materials such as boulders and gravel. My contractor > > >>>> friend > > >>>>>> tells me it takes 18 approvals to get one permit. Please try to get > > >>>>>> just > > >>>> one > > >>>>>> of them without giving a bribe or using a big name. The same goes for > > >>>> each > > >>>>>> certificate. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> I could take you to the secretariat of each of our 30-odd states. Or > > >>>>>> to > > >>>>>> ministries in New Delhi where even bigger deals are made. The story > > >>>>>> will > > >>>> be > > >>>>>> repeated on a progressively larger scale. Let us travel to any of the > > >>>> RTO > > >>>>>> offices. I dare you to have a vehicle registered or transferred, or > > >>>>>> just > > >>>> pay > > >>>>>> your tax without going through a tout or paying someone. Why, most > > >>>>>> of us > > >>>>>> have driving licences. I ask each one of you to keep your hand on > > >>>>>> your > > >>>> heart > > >>>>>> and ask whether you got it by honestly appearing for a test or gave a > > >>>> small > > >>>>>> fee to someone to get it for you. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> I also want you remember the last time you were booked for jumping a > > >>>>>> traffic signal or wrongly parking your car. Did you quietly pay your > > >>>> fine or > > >>>>>> tried to settle the matter with the cop for a lower amount? Please > > >>>>>> get > > >>>> me a > > >>>>>> birth certificate from your local municipal office in a > > >>>>>> straightforward > > >>>>>> manner. I could say the same about courts but for the risk of being > > >>>> hauled > > >>>>>> up for contempt. I shall still suggest that you spend a day in the > > >>>>>> court > > >>>>>> complex of any district and check out the exemplary honesty and > > >>>> integrity > > >>>>>> with which everybody from peon to lawyers to judges work there. Let > > >>>>>> us > > >>>> then > > >>>>>> go to a PWD or an irrigation department office of your choice and > > >>>>>> try to > > >>>>>> find a road or a dam built with complete honesty. I could go on. But > > >>>>>> you > > >>>> get > > >>>>>> the drift, right? > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Somebody has thrown a CAG report on my face. Poor CAG has been > > >>>>>> writing > > >>>> such > > >>>>>> reports by the dozens about every department of every government at > > >>>> every > > >>>>>> level. I am yet to discover their utility other than providing > > >>>> particularly > > >>>>>> untalented reporters a means to live another day. The toilet paper > > >>>>>> in my > > >>>>>> bathroom finds better use than those reports. It is the same with > > >>>>>> CVC. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> And, ah, the media… How can I forget my friends there? Please ask > > >>>>>> them > > >>>>>> about the increasingly blurred line between advertising and > > >>>>>> commercials > > >>>> so > > >>>>>> that readers do not know what is paid for and what is not. What > > >>>> editorial > > >>>>>> integrity do we see when interviews and features on movies appear > > >>>> sweetly > > >>>>>> timed with their release? We had the scandal of paid political news > > >>>> during > > >>>>>> elections. I am yet to see an editor or an owner hauled over the > > >>>>>> coals > > >>>> for > > >>>>>> that or being asked to demit office. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> No, my compatriots, it is not corruption in CWG that bothers you. If > > >>>> that > > >>>>>> were the case, you would have lynched every district collector and > > >>>>>> every > > >>>> RTO > > >>>>>> in the country by now. You have long made peace with corruption. You > > >>>> have > > >>>>>> become part of it when you could. It is brazenness and scale of my > > >>>>>> corruption that concerns you. That is the novelty element. If my team > > >>>> had > > >>>>>> kept itself limited to taking 10 or 20 per cent cut, you would be > > >>>> looking > > >>>>>> the other way. The media would find it boring to report that. What > > >>>> shocks > > >>>>>> you is that I paid Rs 9 lakh for hiring a treadmill that could be had > > >>>> for Rs > > >>>>>> 45,000. If I had done the deal at Rs 50,000 you would be OK with it. > > >>>>>> You > > >>>> do > > >>>>>> not mind people crossing the line. You mind them crossing it too > > >>>>>> openly. > > >>>> But > > >>>>>> you forget, friends, that once you allow crossing of lines you cannot > > >>>> set > > >>>>>> the rules for it. Also, I have only raised the bar here. Citius, > > >>>>>> Altius, > > >>>>>> Fortius. Isn't that what having games is all about? Give me credit > > >>>>>> for > > >>>> at > > >>>>>> least that (though I'd prefer cash!). > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> With all sincerity (or what is left of it amongst us), > > >>>>>> Suresh Kalmadi > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Now, if only I could get Mr Kalmadi to sign it… > > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>>> assam mailing list > > >>>>>> [email protected] > > >>>>>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>> assam mailing list > > >>>>> [email protected] > > >>>>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>> assam mailing list > > >>>> [email protected] > > >>>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > > >>>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> assam mailing list > > >>> [email protected] > > >>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> assam mailing list > > >> [email protected] > > >> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> assam mailing list > > >> [email protected] > > >> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > assam mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > > > _______________________________________________ > > > assam mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > assam mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org _______________________________________________ assam mailing list [email protected] http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
