> -----Original Message-----
> From: IBM Mainframe Assembler List
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gerhard
> Postpischil
> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 12:16 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Display related operations in assembler.
>
> On 12/26/2011 10:21 PM, Chris Mason wrote:
> > Gerard
>
> Who?
>
> > Maybe I just misunderstood why you are using the word
> > "ubiquitous" which
> > seems to imply there is an option!
>
> You read more into it than I meant - ubiquitous means
> omnipresent. Although it might be possible to concoct a useful
> system not using VTAM?

I don't really think it is possible to run a z/OS shop without VTAM, unless you 
also have z/VM. Why? z/OS requires an IODF to run. IODFs are created using HCD. 
Which is an ISPF application. Which requires TSO on a 3270. Which requires 
VTAM. The only TSO 3270 "access methods" that I have ever known are TCAM and 
VTAM. I don't think TCAM is supported any more. But there may be a way to do 
HCD type work in batch that I am unaware of. Hum, I guess a large enough shop 
could run z/OS without VTAM if they did the HCD work on a different system.

Of course, some of the TCPIP I/O is done via VTAM. Weird, but VTAM controls the 
TRLEs for the OSA. Of course, this leaves non-OSA connectivity such as through 
a CISCO device (we had one defined to TCPIP as a CLAW device - SCTC). So I 
guess a shop could use TCPIP connectivity. CICS would use only Web access (no 
3270). I don't know about RD/z instead of TSO. NFS mount z/OS legacy datasets 
in order to maintain things like PARMLIB via a UNIX shell, or use RD/z. Ack! 
Ptui! I'd ROFLMAO if a shop actually did this. I guess (E)JES could be used 
instead of SDSF since it appears to have a Windows client.


>
> > Incidentally what difference is there between "true" and not
> > "true -
> > "false"? - "local non-SNA support"?
>
> A physical 3x78, 3x79, 3180, 3290 would provide "true" support,
> in contrast with a 3278 board for your PC or similar kludge.
>
> Gerhard Postpischil
> Bradford, VT

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