On Saturday, January 24, 2015 03:18:56 PM Thomas Eckardt wrote:
> There are currently much more than 2000 V2 installations reporting to the
> GRIP-list server every day. They all must have run the full rebuildspamdb
> successfully!
> There are currently no opened tickets for V2 and V1!

That is an interesting way of looking at things, given some 1 million downloads 
a 
month, and only more than 2k reporting. That would say you know VERY little 
about 
those downloading and using ASSP if your basing it on those reporting vs 
downloading.

I was able to rebuild the database till recently. Last data is 1/17/2015, so my 
problems 
are quite recent with regard to inability to rebuild spam database.

> V2 and V1 are very different code bases. They share the name and the look
> and feel of the GUI - not much more.

Is that your assumption or facts? I package ASSP on Gentoo. There are some 30+ 
lines of sed to modify ASSP assp.pl source. I had to modify VERY little of that 
from 
previous versions. I did remove allot, but allot remained, so much of the code 
has 
carried over EXACTLY as it was in previous versions or sed would fail.

Here is an example, I have not contributed my revised ebuilds for ASSP V2. I 
could do 
a diff and you would see much of the sed remains and applies to V2 as it did V1

http://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/mail-filter/assp/assp-1.9.8.13030.ebuild?view=markup

> Related to the Schedule::Cron module: check your (scheduled) config
> values!
> btw: this module is not required by V2 - every schedule can be configured
> the 'old' way, per interval defintion or by defining the starting hour -
> simply read the GUI

You keep referring to ASSP documentation. Is there a online documentation? Is 
there 
a man page? Or are you simply talking about the documentation inline on the web 
interface? Which seems to be much of the only documentation I can find beyond 
release notes. The PDF manual just seems to be a screenshot to pdf of the web 
interface.

Also that documentation is NOT clear on the schedule cron module. It IMPLIES 
that it 
is needed even for the regular scheduled times for ASSP to run rebuildspamdb. 
Despite what was stated, it seems that is required for either your own 
schedule, or for 
ASSP to run rebuild spamdb on its own.

Thus without schedule cron, ASSP does not have any rebuild spam database task 
as it 
seems. Despite what was said earlier.

"If not set to "noschedule" (noschedule is default) , ASSP uses scheduled times 
to run 
the RebuildSpamdb! The syntax is the same like in "Vixie" cron! To disable the 
Scheduler write "noschedule"! Never write quotes in to this field!
This requires an installed Schedule::Cron module in PERL.
It is possible to define more than one scheduled time per day to keep the 
Bayesian 
and HMM databes up to date, but this is not required - use 
'newReportedInterval' 
instead."


That clearly states schedule cron is required. The new reported interval simply 
alloews 
more than on schedule time. But again without schedule cron module, there is no 
automation of spam db rebuild as it seems.

mail assp # ls -l spamdb*
-rw-r--r-- 1 assp assp 10590507 Jan 17 02:18 spamdb
-rw-r--r-- 1 assp assp 10561135 Jan 16 14:58 spamdb.bak
-rw-r--r-- 1 assp assp    27507 Jan 17 02:18 spamdb.helo
-rw-r--r-- 1 assp assp    27328 Jan 16 14:58 spamdb.helo.bak
-rw-r--r-- 1 assp assp        1 Jan 21 17:12 spamdb.helo.rb.tmp

> >That is a bit excessive given the length of time I have ran ASSP for.
> 
> Presently its on a
> 
> >dual core VM with 4GB of ram. Which I feel is a bit overkill, about twice
> 
>  the needed
> 
> >resources based on historic usage.
> 
> Beleve me -

Who are you, and I have no reason to believe you individually, when I have 
facts that 
speak otherwise.

> assp does not care about your feeling. Every SMTP worker in V2
> has at least the power and needs (for this reason) the resources of one V1
> instance!

Considering I have graphs telling me what is going on with the servers IO, 
CPU/Memory, etc for extended periods of time. There is NO point to double 
resources/expenses because someone tells me ASSP needs more. You have no idea 
as to my email volume. Email volume tends to determine server requirements far 
beyond the software you run.

If ASSP requires 4 cores and 4GB of ram, something is SEVERELY off, and ASSP 
code 
needs to be tuned and improved. I have heavy enterprise Java apps that DO NOT 
require such.

You realize Oracle Glassfish Enterprise Java Application server does not even 
require 
more than 2GB of memory and has no specifications on CPU. So ASSP v2 is a 
larger 
application and requires more resources than Glassfish?

http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19776-01/820-4494/abpaj/index.html

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