Just replied. I am going to do a pri intense debug and see if I can see the ANI as an IE. I quit the company that I had ANI all setup on.
1.888.777.8888, give me a second to SSH into the box. Thanks, Steve Totaro On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 12:21 PM, Miles Scruggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have an email into steve to setup a test case which he can watch to > see if it is possible to spoof, but haven't heard back from him yet. > I don't have access to a TF PRI to test it myself. I'm fairly certain > that ANI is completely able to be spoofed. > > On May 9, 2008, at 9:07 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >> Well, it wasn't really of spoofing, perse, but if the CNID received >> on a >> toll free is the ANI, since toll free gets passed ANI, but from what >> I can >> see it is not. >> >> >> ---------- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Miles Scruggs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion" >> <[email protected]> >> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 10:41 AM >> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] ANI >> >> >>> I don't see how that wouldn't apply since there still exists a >>> calling >>> party and receiving party, and carrier. Since the question was of >>> spoofing it wouldn't make much sense to think of spoofing happening >>> on >>> the receiving end. >>> >>> You simply have no assurance that the ANI/CID you are receiving is in >>> fact valid. It is suppose to be but that is as far as you can go. >>> >>> On May 9, 2008, at 8:30 AM, Steve Totaro wrote: >>>> Oh, I was speaking of inbound only LD (toll free) PRIs. Maybe I am >>>> way off topic for this thread. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Steve Totaro >>>> >>>> On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Miles Scruggs >>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>> This belief is limited to your experience with PRIs. When you >>>>> obtain >>>>> SIP termination services from ATT, Verizon, or Level 3. They >>>>> have no >>>>> way of verifying what ANI/CID you are sending. It doesn't matter >>>>> if >>>>> you are calling 800s or not, they bill it back to the CID that you >>>>> pass (not to say that your carrier won't bill you as well since >>>>> they >>>>> see the calls go through their switches, but they more than likely >>>>> won't see the reciprocal billing from the receiving LEC). Want a >>>>> proof of concept? Setup an account with a small terminating >>>>> provider >>>>> like Junction networks, send all your calls out with the ANI of >>>>> your >>>>> cell phone. Last step will be to recoil in horror next time you >>>>> open >>>>> your cell phone bill. I'm not saying they can't track you down, or >>>>> trace abuse back to you, since everything is logged, but very >>>>> little >>>>> verification happens. >>>>> >>>>> If you are sending thousands of calls per day to a trunk that is >>>>> outbound only, from thousands of different parties, you don't >>>>> have to >>>>> delve into to much logic to see the obvious result. >>>>> >>>>> Cheer >>>>> >>>>> Miles >>>>> >>>>> On May 9, 2008, at 7:33 AM, Steve Totaro wrote: >>>>>> I may be wrong here but I do not believe that ANI can be spoofed. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_number_identification >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Steve Totaro >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 10:03 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> Mike... The reason why collection services, skip tracers and >>>>>>> private >>>>>>> investigators ask to call back on their 800 toll free is simply >>>>>>> because you >>>>>>> can not spood your ANI to a 800 #. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ________________________________ >>>>>>> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>> Reply-To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk >>>>>>> Discussion<[email protected]> >>>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>> Subject: [asterisk-biz] ANI >>>>>>> Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 08:29:48 -0500 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is the CID of a call to a toll free number really the ANI, >>>>>>> therefore not >>>>>>> spoofed or blocked? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Someone who's opinion I respect said it generally is, but he >>>>>>> wasn't >>>>>>> sure. >>>>>>> Since I have a potential customer coming to me with an ANI >>>>>>> requirement, not >>>>>>> a CID requirement, I figured I should make sure. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ---------- >>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api- >>>>>>>> digital.com-- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> asterisk-biz mailing list >>>>>>>> To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: >>>>>>>> http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api- >>>>>>> digital.com-- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> asterisk-biz mailing list >>>>>>> To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: >>>>>>> http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api- >>>>>> digital.com-- >>>>>> >>>>>> asterisk-biz mailing list >>>>>> To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: >>>>>> http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- >>>>> >>>>> asterisk-biz mailing list >>>>> To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: >>>>> http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- >>>> >>>> asterisk-biz mailing list >>>> To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: >>>> http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- >>> >>> asterisk-biz mailing list >>> To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: >>> http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- >> >> asterisk-biz mailing list >> To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: >> http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz > > > _______________________________________________ > --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- > > asterisk-biz mailing list > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz > _______________________________________________ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
