Ready On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Steve Totaro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just replied. I am going to do a pri intense debug and see if I can > see the ANI as an IE. I quit the company that I had ANI all setup on. > > 1.888.777.8888, give me a second to SSH into the box. > > Thanks, > Steve Totaro > > On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 12:21 PM, Miles Scruggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I have an email into steve to setup a test case which he can watch to >> see if it is possible to spoof, but haven't heard back from him yet. >> I don't have access to a TF PRI to test it myself. I'm fairly certain >> that ANI is completely able to be spoofed. >> >> On May 9, 2008, at 9:07 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >>> Well, it wasn't really of spoofing, perse, but if the CNID received >>> on a >>> toll free is the ANI, since toll free gets passed ANI, but from what >>> I can >>> see it is not. >>> >>> >>> ---------- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Miles Scruggs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion" >>> <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 10:41 AM >>> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] ANI >>> >>> >>>> I don't see how that wouldn't apply since there still exists a >>>> calling >>>> party and receiving party, and carrier. Since the question was of >>>> spoofing it wouldn't make much sense to think of spoofing happening >>>> on >>>> the receiving end. >>>> >>>> You simply have no assurance that the ANI/CID you are receiving is in >>>> fact valid. It is suppose to be but that is as far as you can go. >>>> >>>> On May 9, 2008, at 8:30 AM, Steve Totaro wrote: >>>>> Oh, I was speaking of inbound only LD (toll free) PRIs. Maybe I am >>>>> way off topic for this thread. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Steve Totaro >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Miles Scruggs >>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>> This belief is limited to your experience with PRIs. When you >>>>>> obtain >>>>>> SIP termination services from ATT, Verizon, or Level 3. They >>>>>> have no >>>>>> way of verifying what ANI/CID you are sending. It doesn't matter >>>>>> if >>>>>> you are calling 800s or not, they bill it back to the CID that you >>>>>> pass (not to say that your carrier won't bill you as well since >>>>>> they >>>>>> see the calls go through their switches, but they more than likely >>>>>> won't see the reciprocal billing from the receiving LEC). Want a >>>>>> proof of concept? Setup an account with a small terminating >>>>>> provider >>>>>> like Junction networks, send all your calls out with the ANI of >>>>>> your >>>>>> cell phone. Last step will be to recoil in horror next time you >>>>>> open >>>>>> your cell phone bill. I'm not saying they can't track you down, or >>>>>> trace abuse back to you, since everything is logged, but very >>>>>> little >>>>>> verification happens. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you are sending thousands of calls per day to a trunk that is >>>>>> outbound only, from thousands of different parties, you don't >>>>>> have to >>>>>> delve into to much logic to see the obvious result. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheer >>>>>> >>>>>> Miles >>>>>> >>>>>> On May 9, 2008, at 7:33 AM, Steve Totaro wrote: >>>>>>> I may be wrong here but I do not believe that ANI can be spoofed. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_number_identification >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Steve Totaro >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 10:03 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Mike... The reason why collection services, skip tracers and >>>>>>>> private >>>>>>>> investigators ask to call back on their 800 toll free is simply >>>>>>>> because you >>>>>>>> can not spood your ANI to a 800 #. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ________________________________ >>>>>>>> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>> Reply-To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk >>>>>>>> Discussion<[email protected]> >>>>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> Subject: [asterisk-biz] ANI >>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 08:29:48 -0500 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Is the CID of a call to a toll free number really the ANI, >>>>>>>> therefore not >>>>>>>> spoofed or blocked? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Someone who's opinion I respect said it generally is, but he >>>>>>>> wasn't >>>>>>>> sure. >>>>>>>> Since I have a potential customer coming to me with an ANI >>>>>>>> requirement, not >>>>>>>> a CID requirement, I figured I should make sure. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ---------- >>>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api- >>>>>>>>> digital.com-- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> asterisk-biz mailing list >>>>>>>>> To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: >>>>>>>>> http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api- >>>>>>>> digital.com-- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> asterisk-biz mailing list >>>>>>>> To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: >>>>>>>> http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api- >>>>>>> digital.com-- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> asterisk-biz mailing list >>>>>>> To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: >>>>>>> http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- >>>>>> >>>>>> asterisk-biz mailing list >>>>>> To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: >>>>>> http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- >>>>> >>>>> asterisk-biz mailing list >>>>> To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: >>>>> http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- >>>> >>>> asterisk-biz mailing list >>>> To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: >>>> http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- >>> >>> asterisk-biz mailing list >>> To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: >>> http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- >> >> asterisk-biz mailing list >> To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: >> http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz >> >
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