Am 04.12.2023 um 13:52 schrieb aster...@phreaknet.org:
I strongly object to not having an asterisk-dev list. Mailing lists
are essential for FOSS developer discussion. The majority of
non-ephemeral development discussion happens either on IRC or here on
the asterisk-dev list - just check the archives to see that it's still
active. Most of us are not on the community forums and/or couldn't be
bothered to use them. You can go and see now that "Development" on the
community forums is basically dead, because nobody wants to use it, so
trying to push that on everyone is a terrible idea.
Even for users, I think the loss of asterisk-users will be a major
loss. Far more *discussion* is happening on the Discourse forum, but
far more *quality* discussion still happens on asterisk-users. Being
on a mailing list seems to be a natural weedout for junk questions.
More serious questions still seem to come through on the mailing list.
The community forums is far fuller of useless postings from people who
can't tell a hard drive from a memory stick. Nobody wants to wade
through a bunch of low-quality posts to find the few that might have
some use. Thus, getting rid of asterisk-users would see a significant
drop in the average quality of user engagement. But at least, even if
the -users list is dropped, the -dev list should stick around in some
form.
I know the forums can have emails enabled that you can receive, and
no, that's not a proper replacement for a mailing list.
GitHub Discussions aren't a proper mailing list, either, so ultimately
I think that will run into the same issue. GitHub has a lot of bells
and whistles but most of them aren't as built out as using the proper
tool they try to emulate.
I think #3 is the right choice. It's using the right tool for the
right job. If you don't want to maintain the lists, have somebody else
do it. I do a combination of hosted and self-hosted for my own lists.
Contrary to the opinions of some, people, especially technical people,
have not "moved on" from mailing lists; they are widely used, and I
get hundreds of emails a day from them that I have a good workflow for.
Most lists I'm on that used to be elsewhere (e.g. Yahoo Groups, Google
Groups, mailman, LISTSERV, other custom or independent platforms) have
now migrated to groups.io and are generally highly satisfied with it
compared to other platforms. It used to be completely free; it's now
free for lists under 100 members, or ones that are grandfathered in.
As the maintainer of several lists there and a member of many more,
I've been pretty happy with it.
I'd suggest creating a list there and letting people on this list
manually opt into it, since there are probably a lot of people on
mailman that aren't active anymore. If it's under 100 members, it's
completely free anyways. If more than 100 people join, that means
people here *really* like mailing lists and find value in them, and
I'm sure Sangoma can afford $20 a month for it, if it really doesn't
want to run mailman lists anymore that badly, and $20 is a small price
to keep developers happy.
NA
I'm signing this as well.
I work with several FOSS projects and basically all have something in
common: A mailing list.
Now, if different projects get the idea of migrating to different
forums, things become really impractical.
Right now; I can open my e-mail client and immediately search
for/through discussions, no need to fire up the browser and log into
some forum.
And this works cross project (for the most part).
If I want to take part in a discussion, I just select the mail and press
"reply list"; easy as that.
Internet searches, ML archives: saved me a couple of times, sometimes,
the messages that helped were older than a decade.
I think keeping a pretty "low tech" way for this (like mailing lists) is
important, especially for a project as big and important as Asterisk
because it makes it more accessible and more likely "to be around" in
the future; there is less potential for "breakage".
Best Regards,
Andreas
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