CardinalFang;143213 Wrote: 
> My point was that they at least agree that measurement is useful if you
> can do it, even if they feel that some tests are less useful than
> others. Does the TV/Broadcast review equipment and use measurements in
> that process or do they simply describe products in floral terms?For example, 
> BBC Research Department routinuely used viewer panels to
assess developments - scoring picture quality out of 5.  This method
was also used to judge pictures at transmission IIRC.  AFAIK, no-one
has really developed any very objective measurements for moving
pictures.  In the TV buying example you quoted, you might have a screen
with fabulous static resolution and contrast ratios, but horrible
'smear' or 'stutter' with movement.  You may also find that a picture
with excellent horizontal or vertical resolution, looks soft in the
diagonals because of some picture processing artifacts.

That's not so say that standard electrical/electronic measurements
weren't/aren't ever used - it's just that most engineers understand the
limitations of the measurements, how to interpret them, and the
variation that can result from slight differences in measurement
techniques.  Consumers on the other hand rarely do.

In the car market, manufacturers routinue provide a fairly standard set
of measurements (0-60, mpg, top-speed, crash ratings etc etc), but I
think the vast majority of buyers recognise that it isn't actually
going to tell them how the car is to drive or whether their kids will
find it comfortable in back.  So why is it that some people seem to
think that an audio product can be completely defined in terms of
bandwidth, SNR and THD?

CardinalFang;143213 Wrote: 
> By the way, I have 25 years in consumer and engineering software at a
> very senior level. Experience is valuable and should be shown respect,
> but it shouldn't be used to fob someone off.I wasn't trying to fob you off - 
> I just think the 'prove-it' retort gets
a bit tiresome after a while. ;-)


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