Try to shorten if there is any future response, this is barely maintainable as a casual reply.
honestguv;337405 Wrote: > > What were you enjoying when you believed in audiophile cables? > Wasn't that stated above, hobby that is fun and passes the time while chasing the dragon. But the premise was wrong as I would always get back to the same issues (in my case the sibilance). I would buy more expensive cables and thought it gets better each time. New purchase would tame the issue for a little while; weird situation but that is exactly the danger I am talking about, takes your money and time in vain and it seems real while thousands of people are telling you "try this one, it is warmer sounding". > > > While discussing about the unfairness of the particular business it > is not my priority > > to look down on naive masses, > > We seem to be back to appearances, content and children. Would you look > down on a child for believing in Father Christmas? Would you look down > on an adult that believed in Father Christmas? Is the emotional content > of "looking down" a requirement if you recognise someone is wrong? > For the adult in that example yes of course. For the child no because it is normal in our culture. For our example where you tell me to chill and enjoy my knowledge I say that is not how I can feel, I would like everyone to know the truth. I can only be angry on myself, not proud. So you were not like "who cares, at least I got trough", fine then drop this. > > Why is the business unfair? It is selling expensive luxury goods and > the illusions that go with luxury goods. In free(ish) societies the > individual can decide what the luxury goods are worth to them. Do you > really have a problem with this? Perhaps the taxpayers should fund an > anti-luxury goods education programme? > You are trying to generalize my objections. I say in this example it is a pure lie about the product. Every product has to have some truth in how it was presented. When you buy a diamond you bought it because it looks nice and it is a proof of devotion, not because it cures cancer. Don't confuse luxury and marketing with selling a 100% lie by exploiting virtually unknown perception glitch. > > > I would like them to know and we as a collective move on to produce > something that > > really matters. > > Audiophile products are luxury goods and, pretty much by definition, do > not matter in any important sense. Audiophiles do not buy audiophile > products for reasons of sound quality or else record players, valve > amplifiers, magic cables, etc... would not be on the market. They buy > them for the same reasons they buy other luxury goods and there is > nothing wrong with this. > > If you have a genuine interest in sound quality then buy products from > the audio market sector that has a pragmatic interest in sound quality. > Go to a music shop for your equipment. > Missing the point once again. I am not talking about solving world hunger, I am saying that the audiophiles should care about the real difference in sound, then it comes to looks and prestige. So I am not saying how it is, just saying how I would like it to be. Sure those products then wouldn't be in this much variations as today. Audio market sector, you mean those ugly looking rack components with thousand of I/O ports and LEDs. I would like them to mix with the audiophile/consumer sector. Not asking you for funding, just saying. > > > Drive market for real sonic difference. > > Apart from the obvious like speakers and microphones, there aren't any > sonic differences for competently made audio equipment. This was one of > the main driving forces behind the creation of the audiophile industry > in the 1970s. What business case exists for a publication that reviews > home audio products in a technically valid manner? How can a > manufacturer of electronic audio goods maintain profit margins and > avoid the products becoming essentially commodities? > There is a lot of progress to be done in speakers and mics as you stated and with the room interaction. Then power consumption and size of the components. But eventually it is not my problem, lying to me sure isn't the moral answer as the point of the discussion was long, long time ago. > > >> You don't think the pros outweighed the cons for you with audio > cables? > > > > Sure it has some general benefits, if you call paranoia to be conned > a benefit. > > I don't have the time nor the money to be scammed into every bit of > knowledge out > > there, we should educate more about this phenomena. > > Who is this "we". The taxpayers? The audiophile community? > We the unbelievers, audiophile realists, those that got convinced that the scientists are not just full of it. You don't have to be in we, I don't really know what you believe. > > I am aware of the price of audiophile cables because they are often > ridiculed in the press and on websites. I am aware that people become > obsessed with things but I am rarely in a position to appreciate why. > If someone became obsessed with audiophile cables I would tend to > assume it was a symptom caused by something else. I would discard any > notion of an interest in sound quality. > I am obsessed with quality in general, striving towards perfection as some would say. Unfortunately the audiophile market targets those with the similar traits/flaws. If it was so easy to change amplifiers and speakers I would do the same but nothing beats simple cable switching. Don't forget the most important part that I heard the difference every time. There was no need for further justification, I did not know it can be all imagined, wasn't a medical college student. > > You do seem to be advocating the state funding a mechanism to protect > rich foolish people purchasing overly foolish luxury products like > audiophile cables. I would not support it and I suspect many others > would not either. > That is a bitter and unreasonable statement. I am not rich nor generally foolish, I just like music and tweaking. As far as I understood your position so far it is that the audiophiles are foolish, rich, can't be and don't want to be helped. Well then we have nothing more to discuss, with that sort of generalization everything else is a moot point. Lets move some of that money to the lying thieves, they deserve it as they are poor and sneaky. > > > So you assume audiophiles and superstition boosted the audio > industry. What happened > > to that "before we did not believe in cables"? Seems contradictory. > > I do not understand the contradiction. > > > What about plasma TVs; did videophiles on b&w screen TVs drove the > today's industry as > > well. > > I do not understand the question. > At first you say before we did not believe in audio fairy tales and now that same audiophiles drove the industry. Maybe I could remove the contradiction if you meant that audiophiles before were purely scientific but then they are not the cable believers we are talking about. Today's hi-end plasma screens are quite expensive and serve as an analogy to the luxury audio components. Point is the result is the same in today's video market without any boost in the past by the superstitious. I have nothing against expensive screens, they do look different, even being tested with the calibrating equipment. I'm not really interested in discussing the past of the industry, more we broaden the discussion less sense it makes. > > > We all want nice pic and sound because reality is the reference. > > Although true to some extent, I can see little evidence to suggest it > is a particularly strongly weighted factor for audiophiles. They would > not pay lots of money for things audiophile cables, valve amplifiers, > etc... if it was. Well from where does your audiophile gets his reference? Price? As far as I know they go to concerts or draw it from every day sounds. Sounds to me like you don't see audiophiles as a music loving enthusiasts. Only because they can be tricked while searching for that elusive perfect sound field does not mean they should be ignored and left to the wolves. -- nuhi ------------------------------------------------------------------------ nuhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10571 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45323 _______________________________________________ audiophiles mailing list [email protected] http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
