nuhi;337471 Wrote: > Try to shorten if there is any future response, this is barely > maintainable as a casual reply. > > > Wasn't that stated above, a hobby. > But the premise was wrong as I would always get back to the same issues > (in my case the sibilance). I would buy more expensive cables and > thought it gets better each time. > New purchase would tame the issue for a little while; weird situation > but that is exactly the danger I am talking about, takes your money and > time in vain and it seems real while thousands of people are telling you > "try this one, it is warmer sounding". > > > For the adult in that example yes of course. For the child no because > it is normal in our culture. > For our example where you tell me to chill and enjoy my knowledge I say > that is not how I can feel, I would like everyone to know the truth. I > can only be angry at myself, not proud. > So you were not like "who cares, at least I got trough", fine then drop > this. > > > You are trying to generalize my objections. I say in this example it is > a pure lie about the product. Every product has to have some truth in > how it was presented. > When you buy a diamond you bought it because it looks nice and it is a > proof of devotion, not because it cures cancer. > Don't confuse luxury and marketing with selling a 100% lie by > exploiting virtually unknown perception glitch. > > > Missing the point once again. I am not talking about solving world > hunger, I am saying that the audiophiles should care about the real > difference in sound, then it comes to looks and prestige. > > So I am not saying how it is, just saying how I would like it to be. > Sure those products then wouldn't be in this much variations as today. > Audio market sector, you mean those ugly looking rack components with > thousand of I/O ports and LEDs. > I would like them to mix with the audiophile/consumer sector. > Not asking you for funding, just saying. > > > There is a lot of progress to be done in speakers and mics as you > stated and with the room interaction. Then power consumption and size > of the components. > But eventually it is not my problem, lying to me sure isn't the moral > answer as the point of the discussion was long, long time ago. > > > We the unbelievers, audiophile realists, those that got convinced that > the scientists are not just full of it. You don't have to be in we, I > don't really know what you believe. > > > I am obsessed with quality in general, striving towards perfection as > some would say. > Unfortunately the audiophile market targets those with the similar > traits/flaws. If it was so easy to change amplifiers and speakers I > would do the same but nothing beats simple cable switching. Don't > forget the most important part that I heard the difference every time. > There was no need for further justification, I did not know it can be > all imagined, wasn't a medical college student. > > > That is a bitter and unreasonable statement. I am not rich nor > generally foolish, I just like music and tweaking. > As far as I understood your position so far it is that the audiophiles > are foolish, rich, can't be and don't want to be helped. > Well then we have nothing more to discuss, with that sort of > generalization everything else is a moot point. Lets move some of that > money to the lying thieves, they deserve it as they are poor and > sneaky. > > > At first you say before we did not believe in audio fairy tales and now > that same audiophiles drove the industry. > Maybe I could remove the contradiction if you meant that audiophiles > before were purely scientific but then they are not the cable believers > we are talking about. > > Today's hi-end plasma screens are quite expensive and serve as an > analogy to the luxury audio components. Point is the result is the same > in today's video market without any boost in the past by the > superstitious. > I have nothing against expensive screens, they do look different, even > being tested with the calibrating equipment. > > I'm not really interested in discussing the past of the industry, more > we broaden the discussion less sense it makes. > > > Well from where does your audiophile gets his reference? Price? > > As far as I know they go to concerts or draw it from every day sounds. > Sounds to me like you don't see audiophiles as a music loving > enthusiasts. > Only because they can be tricked while searching for that elusive > perfect sound field does not mean they should be ignored and left to > the wolves.
I know what you feel. The last time, about 8 mths ago, I bought a new receiver, the store I was at made me feel like I was the either the cheapest person alive or the dumbest for spending under 80 bucks per cable. They pushed so hard that ended up telling them I would never buy from them again. It was the worst buying experience that I've ever had and that includes cars. Small town, limited choices and I was in an impulsive mode and wanted it now. I had researched the receiver but not the their cables. I stuck to my guns and bought what I felt were good quality but not out of this world priced cables. They were still too expensive for me. OXO or something like that. One fell apart in a week but they did replace it. Most sets were in the 40 to 80 range and they looked down on me for not buying the 200 to 300 dollar ones. The kicker was they wouldn't refund my money on the others if I didn't think they were any improvement on the ones I bought so I told them to shove it. Cables are where the money is and they are pushing them too hard. It's the mop and glow from the car business and you can just see it in their eyes when they try to sell them to you. Guilt and fear. Guilt that you are buying this nice receiver or amp and you are too cheap to buy good cables and fear that you are buying this nice receiver or amp and you might be missing out on something. It really sucks, especially if you fall prey to it. -- Nonreality -IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO THIS, OF WHAT USE IS THE RULE.- HTTP://www.last.fm/user/nonreality ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Nonreality's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45323 _______________________________________________ audiophiles mailing list [email protected] http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
