This mailing list does more to harm the image of gliding than it does to improve it!!!
I was once a member of several mailing lists- one like this one for mountain bikers. I was a freelance writer and photographer employed by several magazine's in Australia and o/s. The list was a great way for us to discuss the pros and cons of our chosen sport. The list was moderated by one John Stevenson (world renowned cycling author and editor of Aust Mountain Bike magazine). John was / is a the guiding force (moderator) behind what I believe is the most useful mailing list of its type in the world. Why- because he believes in freedom of speech until that freedom allows personal attacks. He will allow critisism but not of individuals. It is about time such rules were adopted by this list. One personal attack and u get a warning, two and ur temporarily suspended, three and you are out. That's the way it works on John's list. "Not terribly democratic" I hear some say. No maybe not but a damn sight better than this crap we have to put up with. Guys, you all have good points, make them and leave it at that! David Olsen ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Borgelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2001 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [aus-soaring] Gliding Joke > At 10:25 AM 24/12/01 +0800, you wrote: > >Oh dear, such aggression and on Christmas Eve as well! > > > >The point is that there has NOT been a gliding club near Perth for many years > >and that it closed down for very good reasons. > > Owen, > > If you read my post VERY carefully you will see that I didn't talk about a > CLUB operation near Perth. > I used to fly at that club too. It got closed down because of noise(Cessna > 180 tug- quite environmentally unfriendly), dust and because they knocked > down the power lines to some houses on 3 occasions, once with a Blanik, > once with the tug and once with a Phoebus. This pissed off the people who > lived in those houses with good reason. In all 3 cases someone other than > the owner was flying the aircraft. > I'd be hopeful that a few private owners could do a lot better than that. > > > >The probability of a few pilots getting a gliding operation going near > Perth in > >our current regulatory environment are almost nil. > > The greatest regulatory obstacle will be the GFA. > > And even if they did the > >inevitable height restrictions would make the gliding activity pointless. > > There aren't many airspace type height restrictions south of Perth. I just > flew into Jandakot there in November. If you mean weather wise you should > talk to John Symanski about soaring the South West. He thought it was > pretty good there. > In any case people may make the tradeoff between better conditions and > proximity to home. > > Just what exactly are the regulatory obstacles to an owner of a self > launcher getting permission from a landowner to use his private strip for a > launch every week or two?(Apart from the GFA) > > > >If you used to drive from Perth to all these Clubs in 1977 you would now find > >that it now takes more than twice as long to get out of Perth than it did in > >your day. > > > > Actually the times you mention are about the same, there's more traffic > but the roads are better. I was in Perth for 10 days in November. > > > >So the point is that you cannot include WA as one of your cosy areas where > >pilots can fly for a day and nip home. WA is similar to Melbourne and Sydney > >in relation to the time glider pilots need to dedicate to their flying > >activity. > > It hasn't been tried recently. It ought to be. Hopefully though not a > traditional training club operation. > > > > >How about for the New Year you drop the aggression to those whose views > differ > >from yours ie "What is your point if indeed you have one" > > > I just love reading replies to my posts from people who can't read plain > English. > > I'll spell it out for you again as you seem to be slow to catch on: > > There are plenty of places where a small private(not club) gliding > operation could be run, especially if the pilots were seen to be properly > qualified by holding a PPL. > > The traditional club operation shouldn't be seen as the only way to go > gliding. > > and whilst you are > >writing down your New Year resolutions could you possibly include one to > reduce > >the level of "GFA bashing" in your postings. > > > No. > > Some of your postings are worth > >reading but when they degenerate into GFA Bashing one tends to hit the Delete > >button and not even get to some of the points that you are trying to make. > > How condescending. Maybe you should read my posts and learn something. > > As you don't seem to even be able to get the point of posts written in > plain English I won't bother to read any more of yours. > > If you love the GFA so much maybe you should ask them how come they run a > system that taught you to fly so poorly that you crashed. > > Mike Borgelt > > Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments > ABN 75532924542 > Box 7474 Toowoomba M.C. > Queensland 4352 > Australia > > Tel 0746 355 784 > mob 0428 355 784 > 0429 355 784 > fax 0746 358 796 > > International > phone: int'l+ 61 7 46 355 784 > Cellphone:int'l +61 4 28 355 784 > int'l +61 4 29 355 784 > fax : int'l+ 61 7 46 358 796 > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > website:www.ozemail.com.au/~mborgelt > > > -- > * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. > * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > * with "unsubscribe aus-soaring" in the body of the message > * or with "help" in the body of the message for more information. > -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with "unsubscribe aus-soaring" in the body of the message * or with "help" in the body of the message for more information.
