Turnpoints/landing places It would be great if people responsible for their local club turn point data could add height especially for landing places. I know that it has been said before but it would be best if we could think of landing places as turn points rather than the past more popular silo now that we do not use photos very much. With naming of airstrips I personally prefer "Jacks strip" or "Rangari airstrip" as this means more to me than a series of numbers or letters and it also encourages me to use a map or is that a lost art like the slide rule or log tables!!! What do others think? Ian McPhee Box 657 Byron Bay NSW 2481 Australia Tel +61 (0)2 66 847 642 Mob +61 (0)428 847 642 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mrsoaring.com
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Kelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [aus-soaring] Has anyone coordinated/updated GPS data recently? > Thanks Jarek. I checked out the Geelong Club list and it is very > comprehensive . . pity it doesn't have altitude included . . makes me > wonder if someone out there has seriously added to this file and could > offer to upload it for us all?? > > Cheers, > > Jim Kelly > VMFG. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jarek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 8:37 PM > Subject: Re: [aus-soaring] Field Landings Web Page - Fly within > capture zone of airfield? > > > | Jim, > | > | It can be found on our web site: > http://www.gliding-in-melbourne.org/ . > | Please follow to the Resources page and then the Australian > Turnpoints link. > | Unfortunately I cannot say how up-to-date the list is. > | > | Regards > | Jarek Mosiejewski > | > | ----- Original Message ----- > | From: "Jim Kelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > | To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > | Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 7:24 PM > | Subject: Re: [aus-soaring] Field Landings Web Page - Fly within > capture zone > | of airfield? > | > | > | > Has anyone coordinated/updated GPS data in Victoria recently? I > | > understand that the Geelong Gliding Club (Bacchus Marsh) may have > a > | > good database? This could be the basis for a landout and task > planning > | > manual in our region. > | > > | > Thanks > | > > | > Jim Kelly > | > VMFG. > | > > | > > | > > | > ----- Original Message ----- > | > From: "Ian McPhee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > | > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > | > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 9:35 AM > | > Subject: Re: [aus-soaring] Field Landings Web Page - Fly within > | > capture zone of airfield? > | > > | > > | > | I believe the plan within gliding in Oz is to use more > | > airfields/airstrips > | > | as turnpoints rather than the silos which were needed for the > photo > | > days. > | > | Unfortunately comp organizers tend not to put the field > elevation in > | > | official downloadable data bases so we do not get the benefit of > | > full > | > | capabilities of our systems. Both the older Cambridge LNAV > GPS-NAV > | > system > | > | and the new 302/303 and many other systems work real easy for > glide > | > to > | > | landing place if it is in the official data base contains > landing > | > place > | > | elevation. > | > | Ian McPhee > | > | Box 657 Byron Bay NSW 2481 Australia > | > | Tel +61 (0)2 66 847 642 Mob +61 (0)428 847 642 > | > | [EMAIL PROTECTED] > | > | > | > | ----- Original Message ----- > | > | From: "Alan Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > | > | To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > | > | Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 8:39 AM > | > | Subject: RE: [aus-soaring] Field Landings Web Page - Fly within > | > capture zone > | > | of airfield? > | > | > | > | > | > | > I understand in Europe the cost of outlanding is almost > | > prohibitive, so > | > | > flying always within the capture zone of a known 'safe' > airfield > | > is almost > | > | > essential. Roland Poss was in out club several years ago and > did > | > | > considerable research on outlanding strips and flew always > within > | > final > | > | > glide range of these. > | > | > > | > | > What would make safe Xcountry gliding simpler would be to not > only > | > have > | > | them > | > | > programmed in the flight computer, but an easy interface to a > | > B2000 or > | > | > similar to confirm when altitude is sufficient to reach the > next > | > | > airfield/paddock. Say airfields indicated on the iPaq map and > | > gliding > | > | > distance circles/eclipses at 0 Mac ready centred on current > | > position > | > | [noting > | > | > wind and altitude/terrain!] > | > | > > | > | > Now there is a challenge. > | > | > > | > | > Does such a user friendly system exist? > | > | > > | > | > Alan Wilson > | > | > > | > | > > | > | > > | > | > -----Original Message----- > | > | > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > | > | > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of > Mike > | > | > Borgelt > | > | > Sent: Sunday, 28 September 2003 7:37 PM > | > | > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > | > | > Subject: Re: [aus-soaring] Field Landings Web Page - Lake > Keepit > | > | > Airfield Database > | > | > > | > | > > | > | > At 05:36 PM 28/09/03 +1000, you wrote: > | > | > >We at Lake Keepit have been concerned for some time at the > | > potential > | > | damage > | > | > >to Club gliders and pilots from inappropriate paddock choice. > | > While we > | > | > agree > | > | > >with the comments about teaching pilots how to assess > paddocks > | > (and > | > | > continue > | > | > >to pursue this) there's no doubt than finding an airfield or > ag > | > strip is > | > | > >normally a much safer option. > | > | > > > | > | > >Over the last couple of years we have accumulated a register > of > | > airfields > | > | > >and ag strips, including upper air photographs and GPS > | > coordinates. A > | > | > >loose-leaf book of these outlanding airfields is maintained > by > | > the Club > | > | > with > | > | > >as much pertinent data as can be assembled - photos, runway > | > direction(s), > | > | > >owner name and phone, condition of field, cautionery notes > etc. > | > Study of > | > | > >this file by intending cross country pilots is encouraged. > | > | > > > | > | > >The Club's turnpoint database for downloading to data > | > loggers/GPSs > | > | > >incorporates the coordinates for all these known airfields, > with > | > as much > | > | > >descriptive info than can be fitted into GPS data fields to > | > assist pilots > | > | > >make sensible choices. > | > | > > > | > | > >Within a rough semicircle of 150km radius we have a database > of > | > 90 > | > | points, > | > | > >of which 66 are landable airfields or ag strips. (We have > adopted > | > | airfields > | > | > >as turnpoints, rather than silos or other features, wherever > | > available.) > | > | > >Most cross country soaring within this area can now be > performed > | > without > | > | > >losing glide slope to a suitable strip. > | > | > > > | > | > >This will be a feature of the upcoming NSWGA State comp in > | > November and > | > | > will > | > | > >be another safety initiative of the Lake Keepit comp. > | > | > > > | > | > >The club is indebted to Harry Medlicott whose initiative this > has > | > been, > | > | and > | > | > >who has collected the lion's share of the info on these > fields. > | > This has > | > | > >been an important part of his drive to improve safety in > gliding, > | > which > | > | > will > | > | > >be strongly empasised in the forthcoming State competition in > Nov > | > at > | > | > Keepit. > | > | > > > | > | > >Dave Shorter > | > | > >email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note no ".au" in address) > | > | > >11 Lighthouse Crescent, > | > | > >Emerald Beach, > | > | > >NSW 2456, Australia > | > | > >Phone (02) 6656 1979 > | > | > >Fax (02) 6656 2983 > | > | > > | > | > > | > | > I believe Ron Geake has done this at Gympie also. They can now > fly > | > cross > | > | > country while in glide range of suitable airstrips. > | > | > > | > | > One resource you might consider to do this with is the AOPA > | > Airfield > | > | guide. > | > | > > | > | > Mike > | > | > Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring > instruments > | > | > phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 > | > | > fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 > | > | > cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 > | > | > Int'l + 61 429 355784 > | > | > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > | > | > website: www.borgeltinstruments.com > | > | > > | > | > > | > | > -- > | > | > * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. > | > | > * To Unsubscribe: send email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > | > | > * with "unsubscribe aus-soaring" in the body of the message > | > | > * or with "help" in the body of the message for more > | > information. > | > | > > | > | > > | > | > -- > | > | > * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. > | > | > * To Unsubscribe: send email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > | > | > * with "unsubscribe aus-soaring" in the body of the message > | > | > * or with "help" in the body of the message for more > | > information. > | > | > > | > | > | > | > | > | -- > | > | * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. > | > | * To Unsubscribe: send email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > | > | * with "unsubscribe aus-soaring" in the body of the message > | > | * or with "help" in the body of the message for more > information. > | > | > | > > | > > | > > | > -- > | > * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. > | > * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > | > * with "unsubscribe aus-soaring" in the body of the message > | > * or with "help" in the body of the message for more > information. > | > > | > > | > | > | -- > | * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. > | * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > | * with "unsubscribe aus-soaring" in the body of the message > | * or with "help" in the body of the message for more information. > | > > > > -- > * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. > * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > * with "unsubscribe aus-soaring" in the body of the message > * or with "help" in the body of the message for more information. > -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with "unsubscribe aus-soaring" in the body of the message * or with "help" in the body of the message for more information.
