Hi all, Mike,
Thanks, I needed good laugh this morning! The statement quoted below is a press staement from a meeting of the CEO's of large multinational corporations. Hardly the sort of people I would imagine as under the influence of what you so amusingly refer to as "left wing propagandist". Not to mention John Howard, Malcolm Turnbull, or even President G.W. stupid of the US. I get the feeling that some climate change sceptics won't accept reality until it comes flooding under their doors, or snows in Queensland in summer. "Climate change is "an urgent problem that requires global action," according to a joint statement issued this week by the leaders of more than 90 major international corporations and organizations, including Citigroup, General Electric, Rolls Royce, Volvo and the World Council of Churches. The statement calls on governments to set new targets for reducing greenhouse gas emissions and enact bold policies to increase energy efficiency. The signatories recommend the world set a price on emissions of carbon dioxide, the leading greenhouse gas, and cooperate on a new international agreement to replace the Kyoto Protocol" The full text is here http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/feb2007/2007-02-22-01.asp, To preempt comment on the credibility of that website a simple google search for "business leader and climate change" shows many other major news organisations with similar report's, this was simply the first Google search result. You wrote: "The current carbon fiber shortage also owes a fair bit to it being used in wind turbine blades and the carbon and resins are all derived from fossil fuels." The written material on this shortage, (such as the recent DG press release on the subject) I have seen has never even mentioned wind turbines, they ascribe the shortage to the new Airbus and Boeing dreamliner consuming vast ammounts of these materials. The witch burning mentality you mention certainly exists, but it is from the neo right wing nut job anti climate change brigade, such as Christopher Monckton. Thank goodness our country has rid its self of the vile lying and/or incompetant and warmongering federal "Liberal" government, and is now signing the Kyoto protocol. Your point about the possible effect on gliding as a sport is quite correct, but much as I love gliding in a choice between the future of our children and my fun-well I know which I choose. The quote below below sums this situation up nicely. Hardly a left winger either. "Of course, addressing climate change involves risks and costs. But much greater is the risk of failing to act," said Alain Belda, chairman and CEO of Alcoa"-Says it all really. Regards Dave L. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Tuesday, 4 December 2007 12:20 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Use exactly the same tacti Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Climate change. At 10:07 PM 3/12/2007, you wrote: >On 03/12/2007, at 7:51 PM, Mike Borgelt wrote: > > > As for climate change, check out this paper that uses the IPCC's own > > model simulation outputs and compares it to the measured data. > >http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Science_and_Public_Policy_In >stitute > >http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Center_for_the_Study_of_Carb >on_Dioxide_and_Global_Change > >http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Heartland_Institute > > - mark So what's your point , Mark? Did you bother to read the paper which uses the IPCC's own predictions and matches them against real world measurements? What exactly is wrong about that paper, Mark? The claimed IPCC model outputs are wrong? The Hadley Centre's radiosonde data are wrong? The Hadley Centre aren't exactly renowned AGW skeptics and the radiosonde data is a matter of public record. It would seem pointless to misrepresent the IPCC model outputs. So what is it? BTW the "sponsorships" you reference (a few $10,000 here and there) don't even begin to measure up against the billions being enthusiastically pushed by governments on scientists who will toe the party line. The contrived theories and data torturing that goes on has to be seen to be believed(or not). I searched for the "Center for Media and Democracy" who run sourcewatch: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Media_and_Democracy Yeah, I know it's wikipedia but it's probably at least as reliable as sourcewatch. Appears to be a left wing propaganda/lobby group. But you could probably guess that from the name. You might like to look in to the backers of the realclimate website also. Check out Fenton Communications. If anybody is wondering what this has to do with soaring, just remember that this is a very fossil fuel intensive activity when you look in to it. Lots of fuel involved in simply getting to where it takes place let alone the launching and retrieving. The current carbon fiber shortage also owes a fair bit to it being used in wind turbine blades and the carbon and resins are all derived from fossil fuels. Towing glider trailers behind bubble cars isn't going to work all that well either and I wonder how long before "frivolous" activities like any form of private aviation are heavily circumscribed or banned, all in the name of CO2 emissions reductions. Some in the UK are calling for the rationing of air travel - and they are the Conservatives! By then we'll all have lots else to worry about as our economies collapse. All this climate change hysteria is about as sensible as burning witches. Our civilisation used to have enough of a grip on reality and belief in reason to be able to land men on the moon and send our eyes to the outer reaches of our solar system. I'm glad I lived through that, it seems unlikely to be repeated. 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