My original post was about clouds and gliding. Should choose subject heading 
more carefully. 
These roll clouds occur more frequently than we realise.
John.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Nick Gilbert 
  To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 7:40 AM
  Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Climate change.


  I saw the word 'Cloud' in that one - we must be getting closer to talking 
about Gliding again.




  On Dec 5, 2007 1:29 AM, Mike Cleaver < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

    At 02:35 5/12/2007, you wrote:

    > > There is "Climate Change", there always has been "Climate Change".
    > > there was an Ice Age and the earth is going through a warming cycle

    > > that has been going on since the last Ice Age.  (Geoff, as 
    > recently as 1982 scientists thought we were heading for a new ice
    > age caused by global cooling!)
    >
    >.....  and the  Earth continues to warm up (by insolation)...

    >
    >..... until it is hit by a big meteor which throws dirt into the air 
blocking
    >insolation and causing cooling (as in the last ice age). This wipes out
    >many species.


    Not that simple, even for a neonatologist. But there is one simple 
    concept nobody has raised here yet (or in the popular science
    debates). That was the old paradigm.

    Left to its own devices, the earth stays in rough balance by
    radiating out the energy it receives. However, (1) it takes time to 
    achieve equlibrium; (2) the rate of radiation is less if there is
    more cloud or more greenhouse gases to trap the heat by re-reflecting
    it back to earth; (3) the rate of sunlight (energy) getting in
    depends on the amount of cloud reflecting it back and the amount of 
    particulates stopping the sunlight getting to the surface and heating
    the atmosphere.

    HOWEVER, this assumes that no extra heat (energy) is released at the
    surface. It is patently obvious that humans are now using energy at 
    such a rate as to affect the overall balance, and all energy
    eventually defaults to heat - hence the earth's surface warms as the
    waste product energy accumulates until it can be re-radiated to space
    as long-wave radiation. Unlike other historical events, we cannot 
    tell yet if that effect is self-correcting.

    The only way to radiate more energy (as a very rough approximation to
    a black-body radiator) is to radiate it from a hotter source - hence
    the planet MUST warm up if it is to radiate the excess energy being 
    generated at the surface.

    If we suspect that this is an undesirable situation, we must STOP
    RELEASING SO MUCH ENERGY. Ideally we will do this by being more
    efficient and not wasting it, but the fact remains that in the end it 
    will raise the temperature ON AVERAGE. This is where Australia, as a
    amall buttechnologically smart country, can help significantly BY
    REDUCING WASTING ENERGY AND MAKING THE TECHNOLOGY AVAILABLE TO ALL.

    In the long term, we must also reduce the global human population if 
    we are to reduce the number of sources of waste. Risk managers
    consider number of fatalities against frequency to decide if a risk
    is unacceptable - a single cause killing 1000 people at the same time
    is not tolerable more than once in about 10 years. By extrapolation, 
    killing 5 billion people once in 5 billion years is also intolerable
    - so half the planet's population being killed by a nearby star going
    supernova once in the current age of the universe is intolerable. The 
    only factor we have any control over (apart from rewriting what
    probability we accept) is to reduce the global population! (not in
    the way one loony candidate party at the recent election has
    proposed, either - by a solution akin to myxo or calici virus for 
    rabbit control, or relying on war and famine as we did in past generations).

    The problem goes deeper than just greenhouse gas emissions - it is
    ENERGY USAGE at a rate beyond our capacity to maintain the
    environment in a range where we KNOW FOR SURE that we can survive it, 
    and which probably takes us outside the range of geological history
    caused by variations in solar output in any time-scale we can
    reliably infer from the up-front evidence.

    CO2 is only a minor part of the overall equation, but it is the 
    political flavour of the year.

    Wombat


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