Mark,
I have seen a few cow boys flying aircraft over the years, some of
them don't
even bother to remove their spurs
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Rowe
Sent: Monday, 14 July 2008 10:05 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fwd: Pawnee window open during towing isnot agood
idea!!
Sorry, i neglected to say before, regulation says that "if fitted" all
"hatches must be fixed before flight".
If flying with open door just remove it, lets face it there are only 2 pins
to remove.
Last season NGC had quite a lot of damage done to our pawnee with this type
of incident, the pilot was very lucky that time. Door came off and cleaned
up the left tailplane and flogged against the fuselage, club was not happy
having damage to our new tug i can tell you.
How about we look deeper into the cause and affect with regard to some of
the ways we operate, a silly or lazy action can have disastrous effects, if
the PIC wants the wind in his hair then don't just do it by halves. Think
about the ongoing risks and consequence hey.. Cowboys ride horses not fly
aircraft.
Cheers
Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [email protected]
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 09:11:15 +1000
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fwd: Pawnee window open during towing is not a
good idea!!
I have watched the discussion about flying Pawnee aircraft with the door
down with interest. I have seen folks at Fayence in France flying with the
left door down so the practice is not confined to Australia or New Zealand.
As for banging your head on the window during decent, this can be largely
avoided by keeping the pilots harness nice and tight and the inertia reel on
the shoulder straps in the locked position
Tom van Blaricum
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pam
Kurstjens
Sent: Saturday, 12 July 2008 2:23 AM
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fwd: Pawnee window open during towing is not
agood idea!!
It is SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITED to fly a Pawnee with the window open,
according to the flight manual.
That should make it quite clear.
Bashing your head on the window/door during a descent through lively
thermals is another matter altogether!
Pam Kurstjens
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Rowe
Sent: Thursday, 10 July 2008 5:37 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fwd: Pawnee window open during towing is not a
good idea!!
BCF is not illegal as far as CASA is concerned but the environmental guys
may have issues with it being used.
Funny that this topic came up just today. i may have an update soon.
Cheers
Mark
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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 20:22:57 +1000
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Aus-soaring] Fwd: Pawnee window open during towing is not a good
idea!!
I got this direct from a guy in NZ re the fatal accident involving the
window - The writer is clear that the message should be passed on to all.
The extra drag (and costs more) and the strain on fabric are minor really.
While on tugs I was surprised to hear Keepit Callair had no fire
extinguisher (when the ASH25 had a fire recently) and I was surprised to
hear CASA rules may have changed in that it is no longer a requirement to
carry one. I realise BCF can only be used in a life threatening situation
so it looks as if the day I ran out and put out the fire in Adelaide Soaring
Club's Pawnee with the Keepit Pawnee BCF, it is now illegal to do so!!! The
local rescue chopper uses a red halogen type I notice. I guess somebody out
there is up to date on the topic.
Ian McPhee
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Gary O'Neill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 2008/7/8
Subject: [Aus-soaring] Pawnee window open during towing is not a good idea!!
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I was at the airfield the day Jim was killed and I helped remove the
wreckage
There was an airstream blown trail of blood along the fuselage .
The geometry of the hinge arrangement means the door will hit the tug pilot
in
the head with a lot of wind driven force.
Pass this message on and absolutely refuse to launch unless the tug pilot
complies with the flight manual. I do not want to lose any more fellow
pilots
by me not passing on what I saw that day.
Gary O'Neill
New Zealand
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