Howdy all, As Far as i know if the pawnee flight manual for that exact aircraft rego ( in section 8 of the flight manual ) has a STC in the flight manual as a CASA ammended and approved page, that states "Door off flying permitted" with the new placarded airspeeds and limitations, whip the pins out chuck the door in the hanger and have the wind and all the carbon monoxide in your face you like ..... If the aircraft flight manual DOES NOT have a STC for door off operations, then ya just shit out of luck and have to keep the doors closed and locked. Pretty simple maybee some one should have a chat to CASA and see what there take is on this situation is, and get a offical answer on paper. i think i know what there response will be.. If any one wants a copy of a flight manual suppliment for door off operations i have a copy out of a cherokee i flew, that i can email out. In short if its not in the flight manual you can't do it. I stand to be corrected 8-) Ben
________________________________ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Mark Rowe Sent: Mon 7/14/2008 8:05 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fwd: Pawnee window open during towing isnot agood idea!! Sorry, i neglected to say before, regulation says that "if fitted" all "hatches must be fixed before flight". If flying with open door just remove it, lets face it there are only 2 pins to remove. Last season NGC had quite a lot of damage done to our pawnee with this type of incident, the pilot was very lucky that time. Door came off and cleaned up the left tailplane and flogged against the fuselage, club was not happy having damage to our new tug i can tell you. How about we look deeper into the cause and affect with regard to some of the ways we operate, a silly or lazy action can have disastrous effects, if the PIC wants the wind in his hair then don't just do it by halves. Think about the ongoing risks and consequence hey.. Cowboys ride horses not fly aircraft. Cheers Mark ________________________________ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 09:11:15 +1000 Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fwd: Pawnee window open during towing is not a good idea!! I have watched the discussion about flying Pawnee aircraft with the door down with interest. I have seen folks at Fayence in France flying with the left door down so the practice is not confined to Australia or New Zealand. As for banging your head on the window during decent, this can be largely avoided by keeping the pilots harness nice and tight and the inertia reel on the shoulder straps in the locked position Tom van Blaricum ________________________________ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pam Kurstjens Sent: Saturday, 12 July 2008 2:23 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fwd: Pawnee window open during towing is not agood idea!! It is SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITED to fly a Pawnee with the window open, according to the flight manual. That should make it quite clear. Bashing your head on the window/door during a descent through lively thermals is another matter altogether! Pam Kurstjens From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Rowe Sent: Thursday, 10 July 2008 5:37 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fwd: Pawnee window open during towing is not a good idea!! BCF is not illegal as far as CASA is concerned but the environmental guys may have issues with it being used. Funny that this topic came up just today. i may have an update soon. Cheers Mark ________________________________ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 20:22:57 +1000 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Subject: [Aus-soaring] Fwd: Pawnee window open during towing is not a good idea!! I got this direct from a guy in NZ re the fatal accident involving the window - The writer is clear that the message should be passed on to all. The extra drag (and costs more) and the strain on fabric are minor really. While on tugs I was surprised to hear Keepit Callair had no fire extinguisher (when the ASH25 had a fire recently) and I was surprised to hear CASA rules may have changed in that it is no longer a requirement to carry one. I realise BCF can only be used in a life threatening situation so it looks as if the day I ran out and put out the fire in Adelaide Soaring Club's Pawnee with the Keepit Pawnee BCF, it is now illegal to do so!!! The local rescue chopper uses a red halogen type I notice. I guess somebody out there is up to date on the topic. Ian McPhee ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Gary O'Neill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 2008/7/8 Subject: [Aus-soaring] Pawnee window open during towing is not a good idea!! To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I was at the airfield the day Jim was killed and I helped remove the wreckage There was an airstream blown trail of blood along the fuselage . The geometry of the hinge arrangement means the door will hit the tug pilot in the head with a lot of wind driven force. Pass this message on and absolutely refuse to launch unless the tug pilot complies with the flight manual. I do not want to lose any more fellow pilots by me not passing on what I saw that day. Gary O'Neill New Zealand ________________________________ Sell your car for just $40 at CarPoint.com.au It's simple! <http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http://secure-au.imrworldwide.com/cgi-bin/a/ci_450304/et_2/cg_801459/pi_1004813/ai_859641&_t=762955845&_r=tig_OCT07&_m=EXT> ________________________________ Click here. Want to help Windows Live Messenger plant more Aussie trees? <http://livelife.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=443698>
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