Mark thanks - that could have been real serious - looks like I started something!!!. I would say from my experience if the window accidentallycomes down during tow I would suggest DO NOT try to close it, continue the tow (hopefully glider pilot on back will notice) as I believe it just could come up and through past the stops suddenly if you were to try and close during flight and at release do a slow decent (same speed as you went up say) as I believe there may be more chance of a problem if speed were high. Also consider a mild side slip to keep that window down.
I think this would be best action but open to suggestions. Interesting but have had several phone calls from experienced tow pilots and they have reread the flight manual and the words are sure there. Ian McPhee 2008/7/14 Mark Rowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Sorry, i neglected to say before, regulation says that "if fitted" all > "hatches must be fixed before flight". > If flying with open door just remove it, lets face it there are only 2 pins > to remove. > Last season NGC had quite a lot of damage done to our pawnee with this type > of incident, the pilot was very lucky that time. Door came off and cleaned > up the left tailplane and flogged against the fuselage, club was not happy > having damage to our new tug i can tell you. > How about we look deeper into the cause and affect with regard to some of > the ways we operate, a silly or lazy action can have disastrous effects, if > the PIC wants the wind in his hair then don't just do it by halves. Think > about the ongoing risks and consequence hey.. Cowboys ride horses not fly > aircraft. > > Cheers > Mark > > > ------------------------------ > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To: [email protected] > Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 09:11:15 +1000 > > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fwd: Pawnee window open during towing is not a > good idea!! > > > I have watched the discussion about flying Pawnee aircraft with the door > down with interest. I have seen folks at Fayence in France flying with the > left door down so the practice is not confined to Australia or New Zealand. > As for banging your head on the window during decent, this can be largely > avoided by keeping the pilots harness nice and tight and the inertia reel on > the shoulder straps in the locked position > > > > Tom van Blaricum > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Pam Kurstjens > *Sent:* Saturday, 12 July 2008 2:23 AM > *To:* 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' > *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] Fwd: Pawnee window open during towing is not > agood idea!! > > > > It is SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITED to fly a Pawnee with the window open, > according to the flight manual. > > That should make it quite clear. > > Bashing your head on the window/door during a descent through lively > thermals is another matter altogether! > > Pam Kurstjens > > > > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Mark Rowe > *Sent:* Thursday, 10 July 2008 5:37 PM > *To:* Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] Fwd: Pawnee window open during towing is not > a good idea!! > > > > BCF is not illegal as far as CASA is concerned but the environmental guys > may have issues with it being used. > Funny that this topic came up just today. i may have an update soon. > > Cheers > Mark > ------------------------------ > > > Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 20:22:57 +1000 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Aus-soaring] Fwd: Pawnee window open during towing is not a good > idea!! > > I got this direct from a guy in NZ re the fatal accident involving the > window - The writer is clear that the message should be passed on to all. > The extra drag (and costs more) and the strain on fabric are minor really. > > While on tugs I was surprised to hear Keepit Callair had no fire > extinguisher (when the ASH25 had a fire recently) and I was surprised to > hear CASA rules may have changed in that it is no longer a requirement to > carry one. I realise BCF can only be used in a life threatening situation > so it looks as if the day I ran out and put out the fire in Adelaide Soaring > Club's Pawnee with the Keepit Pawnee BCF, it is now illegal to do so!!! The > local rescue chopper uses a red halogen type I notice. I guess somebody out > there is up to date on the topic. > > Ian McPhee > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: *Gary O'Neill* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2008/7/8 > Subject: [Aus-soaring] Pawnee window open during towing is not a good > idea!! > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > I was at the airfield the day Jim was killed and I helped remove the > wreckage > There was an airstream blown trail of blood along the fuselage . > The geometry of the hinge arrangement means the door will hit the tug pilot > in > the head with a lot of wind driven force. > > Pass this message on and absolutely refuse to launch unless the tug pilot > complies with the flight manual. I do not want to lose any more fellow > pilots > by me not passing on what I saw that day. > > Gary O'Neill > New Zealand > > > ------------------------------ > > Sell your car for just $40 at CarPoint.com.au It's simple! > <http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http://secure-au.imrworldwide.com/cgi-bin/a/ci_450304/et_2/cg_801459/pi_1004813/ai_859641&_t=762955845&_r=tig_OCT07&_m=EXT> > > ------------------------------ > Click here. Want to help Windows Live Messenger plant more Aussie > trees?<http://livelife.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=443698> > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >
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