LOL,
CASA,
Thats funny.
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:10:24 +0800From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL
PROTECTED]: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fwd: Pawnee window open during towing isnot agood
idea!!
Howdy all,
As Far as i know if the pawnee flight manual for that exact aircraft rego ( in
section 8 of the flight manual ) has a STC in the flight manual as a CASA
ammended and approved page, that states "Door off flying permitted" with the
new placarded airspeeds and limitations, whip the pins out chuck the door in
the hanger and have the wind and all the carbon monoxide in your face you like
.....
If the aircraft flight manual DOES NOT have a STC for door off operations, then
ya just shit out of luck and have to keep the doors closed and locked.
Pretty simple maybee some one should have a chat to CASA and see what there
take is on this situation is, and get a offical answer on paper. i think i know
what there response will be..
If any one wants a copy of a flight manual suppliment for door off operations i
have a copy out of a cherokee i flew, that i can email out.
In short if its not in the flight manual you can't do it.
I stand to be corrected 8-)
Ben
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Mark RoweSent: Mon 7/14/2008 8:05 AMTo:
Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.Subject: Re:
[Aus-soaring] Fwd: Pawnee window open during towing isnot agood idea!!
Sorry, i neglected to say before, regulation says that "if fitted" all "hatches
must be fixed before flight". If flying with open door just remove it, lets
face it there are only 2 pins to remove.Last season NGC had quite a lot of
damage done to our pawnee with this type of incident, the pilot was very lucky
that time. Door came off and cleaned up the left tailplane and flogged against
the fuselage, club was not happy having damage to our new tug i can tell
you.How about we look deeper into the cause and affect with regard to some of
the ways we operate, a silly or lazy action can have disastrous effects, if the
PIC wants the wind in his hair then don't just do it by halves. Think about the
ongoing risks and consequence hey.. Cowboys ride horses not fly aircraft.
CheersMark
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 09:11:15
+1000Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fwd: Pawnee window open during towing is not a
good idea!!
I have watched the discussion about flying Pawnee aircraft with the door down
with interest. I have seen folks at Fayence in France flying with the left door
down so the practice is not confined to Australia or New Zealand. As for
banging your head on the window during decent, this can be largely avoided by
keeping the pilots harness nice and tight and the inertia reel on the shoulder
straps in the locked position
Tom van Blaricum
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pam
KurstjensSent: Saturday, 12 July 2008 2:23 AMTo: 'Discussion of issues relating
to Soaring in Australia.'Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fwd: Pawnee window open
during towing is not agood idea!!
It is SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITED to fly a Pawnee with the window open, according
to the flight manual.
That should make it quite clear.
Bashing your head on the window/door during a descent through lively thermals
is another matter altogether!
Pam Kurstjens
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark RoweSent:
Thursday, 10 July 2008 5:37 PMTo: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in
Australia.Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fwd: Pawnee window open during towing is
not a good idea!!
BCF is not illegal as far as CASA is concerned but the environmental guys may
have issues with it being used.Funny that this topic came up just today. i may
have an update soon. CheersMark
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 20:22:57 +1000From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
[Aus-soaring] Fwd: Pawnee window open during towing is not a good idea!!I got
this direct from a guy in NZ re the fatal accident involving the window - The
writer is clear that the message should be passed on to all. The extra drag
(and costs more) and the strain on fabric are minor really.While on tugs I was
surprised to hear Keepit Callair had no fire extinguisher (when the ASH25 had a
fire recently) and I was surprised to hear CASA rules may have changed in that
it is no longer a requirement to carry one. I realise BCF can only be used in
a life threatening situation so it looks as if the day I ran out and put out
the fire in Adelaide Soaring Club's Pawnee with the Keepit Pawnee BCF, it is
now illegal to do so!!! The local rescue chopper uses a red halogen type I
notice. I guess somebody out there is up to date on the topic.Ian McPhee
---------- Forwarded message ----------From: Gary O'Neill <[EMAIL
PROTECTED]>Date: 2008/7/8Subject: [Aus-soaring] Pawnee window open during
towing is not a good idea!!To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] was at the airfield the day
Jim was killed and I helped remove the wreckageThere was an airstream blown
trail of blood along the fuselage .The geometry of the hinge arrangement means
the door will hit the tug pilot inthe head with a lot of wind driven force.Pass
this message on and absolutely refuse to launch unless the tug pilotcomplies
with the flight manual. I do not want to lose any more fellow pilotsby me not
passing on what I saw that day.Gary O'NeillNew Zealand
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