No, the lack of value of aviation medicals has
been demonstrated by long pragmatic and statistical experience.
I don't have the URL to hand but one study in the
US was that medical conditions for powered
aircraft pilots were around 1% of accident
causes. Fortunately they had a large body of
experience with glider and balloon pilots who
self certify and the medical rate of accident
causes was 0.5% or so amongst them.
The BGA did a study many years ago of 800 glider
accidents in the UK. IIRC about 5 may have had a
medical component which would seem to be in
accordance with the US experience. Of those,
again IIRC, one was a medical condition that
wouldn't be picked up in a PPL medical, two had
PPLs and one was a serving military officer who
had more frequent medicals of a higher stringency than a PPL medical.
Even CASA recognised this in writing in a
discussion paper in 2002 about the proposed
Recreational Pilot's Licence. They proposed the
same medical standard as a State driver's Licence
(very little, looking at what drives). They
specifically said some in the aviation industry
might be uncomfortable with this but that the
stats were clear that formal medicals did nothing
for safety. This was a welcome attitude in the
regulator - actual evidence based rule making. Of
course the cretins in the GFA sent a couple of
people (Meertens and Hall) along to the Minister
to kill this proposal for gliding, along with the
collusion of Paul Middleton of the RAAus. One of
the more notable acts of bastardry in Australian
aviation which has a long history of such.
Mike
At 05:41 PM 11/10/2013, you wrote:
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Hi All,
To self declare is hardly onerous.
If you have any of the conditions that make you
ineligible to self declare, then get an Australian Medical Certificate.
I now await the bun-fight regarding the value of
aviation medicals and whether they have really
made the skies safer, using the argument that
medicals are costly and someone knows somebody
that had a medically incapacitating event just
after they had passed their medical etc
.
Would the same argument work regarding glider
maintenance, saying that form 2 are not
worthwhile because there have been instances
where gliders have come to grief after passing their form 2 etc
Doctors hat on
Michael
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From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Matt Gage
Sent: Friday, 11 October 2013 14:52
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Medicals
However, the crazy situation is that if a US
pilot holds a class 2 medical, they can fly here
using that unless they gain Australian
citizenship, at which time they have to suddenly
self certify or get an Australian class 2
Or an Australian who has lived overseas for many
years is unable to use their class 2 on a brief holiday here
Looks like we have badly thought through regs,
or possibly the interpretations on the web site
are too simplistic. I hope it's the latter
Matt
On 11 Oct 2013, at 17:25, "Christopher Thorpe"
<<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
An Australian flying on an Australian pilot
certificate who is ineligible to self-declare
their medical status must hold an Australian
Medical Certificate. This is the case even if
an Australian also holds citizenship of another country.
If the person holds dual citizenship of
countries other than Australia and they are
ineligible to self-declare, then they will need
to provide a Medical certificate issued by the
State that issued their Pilots Licence.
Christopher Thorpe
From:
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[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Sanders
Sent: Friday, 11 October 2013 4:30 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Medicals
What about those who hold dual citizenship??
On 10 October 2013 21:53, Christopher Thorpe
<<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
The Q&A means exactly what it says. An
AUSTRALIAN pilot must have an AUSTRALIAN Medical Certificate.
Im not sure how this morphed into the
requirements for foreign pilots, but there is a
separate page dedicated to foreign pilots at the following link:-
<http://www.glidingaustralia.org/GFA-Ops/foreignpilots.html>http://www.glidingaustralia.org/GFA-Ops/foreignpilots.html
Christopher Thorpe
From:
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[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of jim crowhurst
Sent: Thursday, 10 October 2013 9:37 PM
To: aus soaring
Subject: [Aus-soaring] Medicals
I have just been reading the medicals section
of the OPS part of the GFA website and was
looking at the FAQ. With respect to overseas pilots, I am confused....
I am an Australian Citizen but hold a Class
1/Class 2 Medical Certificate issued overseas.
Can I use this to meet GFAs medical requirements?
No. You must hold a Medical Certificate
issued by an Australian Registered Doctor or DAME.
This means that regardless of any medical
obtained overseas, a visiting pilot on holiday
MUST see an Australian doctor and get signed
off if they have ever had any of the
exclusions, even if they hold a class 1 or 2
medical in their country. Some of the
conditions are quite common in the age group of
pilots that visit Australia. Surely if they
have been signed off in the UK or USA or
Germany for example they would meet
requirements here? Is there any reciprocal arrangement with certain countries?
My concern is that Australia may lose out on
overseas pilots coming to visit because of the
medical requirements. Has this always been this
way or are these new regulations?
This is more stringent than EASA, and that's saying something!
Can someone knowledgeable explain the rules for
overseas pilots or is it simply that "if you
can't self certify, see an Australian doctor" and hope they sign off?
It's not exactly convenient.......
thanks
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