Ian,
How did they score the pilots who finished at the distance but below
the minimum height? If you are going to have a minimum height for the
finish it may as well be 500M over the top (or 1500 feet) of the
airfield. Then it conforms with normal aviation practice and when
below 1500 you are no longer racing. No low energy finishes etc. The
people who get back with less than 1500 feet are allowed to join for
a straight in or on base etc as long as they tell everyone what is
happening. It is to their advantage to finish as high as possible
though so they won't be blazing in at Vne. Seems it would be safer
and even add some spectator interest to the finish.
I agree the 1000M Vne line was horrible but I don't remember ever
having a problem with only one camera clock start point and a FAI
sector of 90 degrees centered on the first leg. At least there is
only one point where people are busy getting in the right position
and the rest of the airspace doesn't have this impediment. I flew one
nationals where multiple start points were used with camera clocks.
Didn't think much of it. If you want to race you want to fly the SAME
task. AAT may be competing in gliders but it isn't racing as the rest
of the world knows it.
As for danger, we can play with the rules to try to minimise this but
the arguments devolve to somebody "feels" that one way or another is
safer. We did have one midair with one bailout and one death where
multiple start points were in use. In the end, putting tens of
gliders in close proximity for starts, finishes and tasks will
dramatically increase the chances of a mid air collision and
individuals will need to make their own judgements as the whether the
risk is worth it to them. If it isn't don't play.
Mike
At 04:22 PM 15/02/2014, you wrote:
My 20c worth is I think I prefer multiple start points and about
half my comp flying was in the the VNE 1000m start line which was
bordering on dangerous.
As for finishing I really like the 2 or 3 km circle at say 1000ft. I
have been at a German comps years ago and they had well over 100
gliders and all finishes were 3km out at 300 m I seem to remember.
They also had a well ordered landing procedures and only one main
strip. I was impressed.
I think the last out & return was set in nationals about 1970 and
cats cradles continued on for about another 10years., With new tasks
being set with haste on the grid this conflicting directions must be
thought about & usually is. .
Ian mcphee
On 15/02/2014 3:19 PM, "Mike Borgelt"
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wrote:
At 05:46 PM 14/02/2014, you wrote:
I agree completely with Tim. We should all use the same rules worldwide.
So the only other question that needs answering is when is the rest
of the world going to change to our well thought out multiple
allocated start points and 3km finish circles. And while they are
changing their rules, they can mandate that all pilots use low tow as well.
Can you still be World Champion if you declare a Lay day 48 hrs in advance?
And they should all mandate two signatures after rigging. This was
actually proposed in the US about 12 years ago after a tragic mishap
but no more was heard after someone pointed out that nobody in his
or her right mind would sign.
Mike
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