Well, what will be needed re paperwork to fly a glider out from under the
umbrella in the rain?
From: Christopher Thorpe
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 9:13 PM
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes
Ron
Refer to CASR 61 http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2014C00046:
61.1510 Privileges of glider pilot licences
61.1520 Limitations on exercise of privileges of glider pilot licences—recent
experience
61.1525 Limitations on exercise of privileges of glider pilot licences—flight
review
61.1530 Limitations on exercise of privileges of glider pilot licences—medical
certificates
61.1535 Limitations on exercise of privileges of glider pilot licences—carriage
of documents
For what it’s worth, a CASA GPL only exists to assist GFA members wanting to
have their Australian qualifications recognised overseas. It will not allow a
person to fly gliders in Australia outside the umbrella of the GFA.
Regards
Christopher Thorpe
Executive Manager, Operations | Gliding Federation of Australia (ABN 82 433 264
489)
M: +61 4 1447 6151 | E: [email protected] | w: www.glidingaustralia.org
au.linkedin.com/pub/christopher-thorpe/25/2b8/b4b/
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Sanders
Sent: Sunday, 24 August 2014 8:59 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes
Thank you.
In the references listed I can not find the privileges and responsibilities of
the CASA GPL??
ron
On 24 August 2014 18:51, Christopher Thorpe <[email protected]> wrote:
Ron
The GFA GPC is compliant in that it meets the standards specified in Annex 1
to the Convention on International Civil Aviation. The regulatory authority is
in Civil Aviation Safety Regulations 1998, subparagraphs 61.1540 (2)(a),(b),&
(c).
CASA has produced a guidance booklet at:
http://www.casa.gov.au/wcmswr/_assets/main/lib100191/part61booklet.pdf
For further guidance, go to:
http://www.casa.gov.au/licensingregs
CASA has informed me that an applicant for a GPL will need to present their
GPC and identification documents, and then meet the following requirements:
• CASA Medical
• FROL;
• Security Check; and
• English Language Proficiency Assessment;
Glider pilots already holding a CASA Licence will generally only need to
evidence holding a GPC and a current CASA medical.
Regards
Christopher Thorpe
Executive Manager, Operations | Gliding Federation of Australia (ABN 82 433
264 489)
M: +61 4 1447 6151 | E: [email protected] | w:
www.glidingaustralia.org
au.linkedin.com/pub/christopher-thorpe/25/2b8/b4b/
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Sanders
Sent: Sunday, 24 August 2014 8:00 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes
Dear Chris,
Could you please explain the legislative background which makes the GPC right
now as is, ICAO compliant?
However, on September 2, I wish to convert my GPC into a CASA Glider Pilot
License, can you please tell me how to do this?
Ron Sanders
On 24 August 2014 17:21, Christopher Thorpe <[email protected]> wrote:
To dispel some of the misinformation written about the GPC:
1. The GFA GPC is ICAO compliant.
2. The holder of a GPC is automatically granted L1 Independent
Operator status (refer MOSP2, paragraph 10.5).
3. Foreign pilots can readily convert an overseas issued ICAO
compliant licence to the GPC (refer the GFA web site for details).
4. This year, Mal Read (CASA) and I have assisted several Australian
pilots convert their GPC to an overseas ICAO licence. Granted this was not
necessarily an easy thing to do given the current EASA regulatory environment.
5. When CASR Part 61 comes into force on 1 September 2014, Australian
pilots wishing to fly overseas can use their GPC to obtain a CASA Glider Pilot
Licence to overcome past difficulties with overseas recognition.
Regards
Christopher Thorpe
Executive Manager, Operations | Gliding Federation of Australia (ABN 82 433
264 489)
M: +61 4 1447 6151 | E: [email protected] | w:
www.glidingaustralia.org
au.linkedin.com/pub/christopher-thorpe/25/2b8/b4b/
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ulrich Stauss
Sent: Sunday, 24 August 2014 11:32 AM
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes
Picking up from Michael Scutter:
Will overseas pilots holding an ICAO compliant (glider) pilots license and
an FAI Sporting license still require a GPC to fly in Australian competitions?
Perhaps more importantly, do the insurances recognise both the FAI Sporting
license and the GPC for their purposes?
Or are there provisions in place to recognise the FAI Sporting license as
equivalent/superior?
If so does this also apply to an Australian pilot holding an FAI Sporting
license but not a GPC? (What if this pilot also holds an overseas ICAO
compliant (glider) pilots license?)
Will the points of a competitor in an Australian National Championship who
only holds a GPC but no FAI Sporting license be recognised for the FAI/IGC
Pilot Rankings?
To my knowledge the GPC is not ICAO compliant nor recognised anywhere
overseas. I guess that will have to wait until the CASA GPL finally gets off
the ground. The way I read the MOSP, the GPC in practice merely means that the
holder has a C certificate and may have been trained according to the ‘new’
rearranged syllabus and to Level 1 independent operator standard (but does not
necessarily hold the L1 IO rating!).
In the meantime our pilots who want to compete overseas are still on their
own in the battle with foreign bureaucracies to obtain an ICAO compliant
license from wherever this is easier or quicker in their circumstances (UK, US,
Czech Republic…) on the basis of the C certificate – good luck to anyone
attempting that based on a GPC.
Wasn’t that the primary issue that the GPC was supposed to fix?
The emperor has no clothes!
Ulrich
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of pam
Sent: Friday, 22 August 2014 10:35
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses
Records:
You must have an FAI Sporting Licence before you make a record attempt. One
pilot this year had a record claim rejected because he had no Sporting Licence.
You pay $10 and renew every 2 years.
A pilot can only hold one Sporting Licence, so for example if you already
hold one issued by Australia, you fly records and International Competitions as
a representative of Australia. You can’t compete in the French Team, if you
hold an FAI Sporting Licence issued by Australia. In other words, the FAI
Sporting Licence is dependent on your Nationality or Residence.
Competitions:
The use of the word ‘competition licence’ is confusing, when it refers to
the FAI Sporting Licence. It was a requirement of the insurance company
providing liability insurance to competition organisers, as evidence of pilots’
competence, and perhaps in everyday speech it sounds simpler to say
‘competition licence’. It appears now that the insurer is happy to accept a GPC
for competitions in Australia.
Pam
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Peter Champness
Sent: Thursday, 21 August 2014 7:33 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses
I agree with the OPs Panel. The International Competition Licence was
never necessary and should not have been adopted for domestic competition. The
Glider Pilot Certificate has some merit and I personally am very happy to adopt
that for our competitions. It is a lot more comprehensive than the old Silver
badge.
What happens if you fly a potential record flight and you don't have an
International Competition Licence. Can you apply for it retrospectively?
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 7:16 PM, Adam Woolley <[email protected]>
wrote:
A timely question Don,
I think the comp license has now been replaced by a GPC.
Cheers,
WPP
> On 21 Aug 2014, at 18:28, Don Woodward <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> G'day all, Jen and I have just spent the last hour searching the web
for the address to send your competition license to to get it renewed but we've
failed. Can someone please assist and remind me of the postal address?
>
> Regards
> Don Woodward
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