As a standalone device a Flarm is merely an expensive GPS data source.

Flarm is a *system* and requires other devices and compatibility between devices to function. The usefulness also degrades rapidly as the proportion of potential targets either is not equipped or the unit isn't working or is non compatible.

Analogies with parachutes aren't useful. There are many parachute manufacturers and I'm not aware that licence fees are being paid by the others to one manufacturer and while there may be airworthiness directives from time to time on a particular brand or type of

parachute there aren't potential fleet wide problems every year.

Not a problem until use is mandated  as in contests or some clubs.

The serious parts of aviation seem to go to lots of trouble to maintain backwards compatibility. i.e. continuing use of pressure altitude instead of GPS altitude, Mode A transponders are compatible with Mode C and mode S and ADSB co-exists with these on the same

frequencies. Except in the USA where the potential congestion means they have gone to 978Mhz for ADSB for small aircraft and maintained the Extended squitter transponder 1090 Mhz use for large aircraft. That means ground stations and being in range of one for the two

sets of users to know about each other. Wonderful!

TCAS as used in airliners also has the feature that the system logic is known to the users and users are trained in it.

A couple of years ago I analysed a mid air between two gliders in Austria. Both Flarm equipped and both Flarms were working. The pilots frantically scanned and still failed to see each other whereupon one turned left - right across the other glider's flightpath and the

collision occurred. Otherwise they'd have missed. Fortunately both managed to land safely.

Mike





At 10:56 AM 16/03/2015, you wrote:
Hi Tim,
As you have reminded many in the past, - this is a Gliding Forum. Keep the politics and political comments out of it.
Glenn


On 14/03/2015 8:32 PM, Tim Shirley wrote:
Hi all,

Flarms are standalone devices. They won't stop working tomorrow, because there is nothing to stop them working. A Flarm on V5 will see a Flarm on V5 just the same for ever, so it is probably better for the upgrade at a club, or in an area where gliders often fly together, to be co-ordinated. Making an instant change to your own Flarm might simply disable yours :)

Flarm is being 100% consistent in its policy, and if that is irresponsible well then more irresponsibility from Tony Abbott would be good (if that is possible). They have NEVER guaranteed that a major version upgrade is backward compatible, in fact they have always said that any backward compatibility between major versions is coincidental. I make no comment on the reasons or the necessity for this policy.

There's nothing wrong with a Flarm, except for the far too high expectations we have of it.

Just look out the window - no version changes required but make sure your specs are up to spec.

Cheers

Tim Shirley

tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare
On 14/03/2015 6:54 PM, Matthew Scutter wrote:
FYI:
FLARM has now published it's latest update - v6.
It's available here: <http://flarm.com/support/firmware-updates/>http://flarm.com/support/firmware-updates/

The protocols in the current version (v5) and new version (v6) are supposedly totally incompatible, so please update your FLARMs before next flight or you won't be able to see pilots with the other version.

<soapbox opinion> I think it's very irresponsible of FLARM to publish a backwards incompatible upgrade like this. I am glad I am not flying in the Alps this weekend. </opinion>



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