Just wondering where this matter stands under consumer law? These units are not very old. I find the idea that i am forced to buy something from a company that has no regard for its early customers totally offensive. You certainly would not normally do business with them.
> On 17 Mar 2015, at 00:08, Chris Runeckles <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Laurie > > So before I make the same error with my Swiss flarm, what was the problem? > and could you share the fix with the forum please > > Many thanks > > Chris Runeckles > GCWA > >> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 8:34 PM, Laurie Simpkins <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hi, >> Just attempted to updated my Swiss Flarm this weekend and turned it into an >> expensive paperweight. Fortunately two well known members of WGC ( thanks >> again) pooled their combined knowledge and many hours later it became a semi >> useful part of the airframe again. Was about to scrap all electronics and >> install my cosim vario and make my own beeping noises??? >> It will be a sad day IMHO when we mandate any form of electronic device for >> all gliders as standard equipment. I appreciate their use for gliders and >> tugs ( I used to tow ) in comps etc but as the owner of some vintage gliders >> ( including my open cirrus) i challenge their relevance in all parts of our >> sport. >> I still believe we could help ourselves more by encouraging more anti >> collision marking ( read all the arguments) and keeping our heads out of the >> cockpit where they belong. >> Before you crucify me ( as happens occasionally here) please justify your >> comments with why you think i need a Flarm or equivalent in a vintage or >> training aircraft mostly operating in the CTAF. Soon we will be asked these >> questions as a body and i hope we answer wisely. >> I say again i support and understand the relevance in a comp situation for >> devices likes Flarms however we will need to make future decisions and >> rules for all the gliding community. >> Currently i probably couldn't operate at some local clubs due to an >> insistence an Flarms for all aircraft??????????? >> >> cheers >> Laurie >> >> GMO,GDW,GEF,GHJ,GTG >> >> >> >> > From: [email protected] >> > Subject: Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 138, Issue 25 >> > To: [email protected] >> > Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 21:22:52 +1030 >> > >> > Send Aus-soaring mailing list submissions to >> > [email protected] >> > >> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> > [email protected] >> > >> > You can reach the person managing the list at >> > [email protected] >> > >> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> > than "Re: Contents of Aus-soaring digest..." >> > >> > >> > Today's Topics: >> > >> > 1. Re: FLARM update (Mike Borgelt) >> > 2. Easter Comp 2015 cancelled (Erich Wittstock) >> > 3. Re: Easter Comp 2015 cancelled (Ian Downes) >> > >> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > Message: 1 >> > Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 11:47:29 +1000 >> > From: Mike Borgelt <[email protected]> >> > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] FLARM update >> > To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." >> > <[email protected]> >> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" >> > >> > As a standalone device a Flarm is merely an expensive GPS data source. >> > >> > Flarm is a *system* and requires other devices >> > and compatibility between devices to function. >> > The usefulness also degrades rapidly as the >> > proportion of potential targets either is not >> > equipped or the unit isn't working or is non compatible. >> > >> > Analogies with parachutes aren't useful. There >> > are many parachute manufacturers and I'm not >> > aware that licence fees are being paid by the >> > others to one manufacturer and while there may >> > be airworthiness directives from time to time on a particular brand or >> > type of >> > >> > parachute there aren't potential fleet wide problems every year. >> > >> > Not a problem until use is mandated as in contests or some clubs. >> > >> > The serious parts of aviation seem to go to lots >> > of trouble to maintain backwards compatibility. >> > i.e. continuing use of pressure altitude instead >> > of GPS altitude, Mode A transponders are >> > compatible with Mode C and mode S and ADSB co-exists with these on the same >> > >> > frequencies. Except in the USA where the >> > potential congestion means they have gone to >> > 978Mhz for ADSB for small aircraft and maintained >> > the Extended squitter transponder 1090 Mhz use >> > for large aircraft. That means ground stations >> > and being in range of one for the two >> > >> > sets of users to know about each other. Wonderful! >> > >> > TCAS as used in airliners also has the feature >> > that the system logic is known to the users and users are trained in it. >> > >> > A couple of years ago I analysed a mid air >> > between two gliders in Austria. Both Flarm >> > equipped and both Flarms were working. The pilots >> > frantically scanned and still failed to see each >> > other whereupon one turned left - right across >> > the other glider's flightpath and the >> > >> > collision occurred. Otherwise they'd have missed. >> > Fortunately both managed to land safely. >> > >> > Mike >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > At 10:56 AM 16/03/2015, you wrote: >> > >Hi Tim, >> > >As you have reminded many in the past, - this is >> > >a Gliding Forum. Keep the politics and political comments out of it. >> > >Glenn >> > > >> > > >> > >On 14/03/2015 8:32 PM, Tim Shirley wrote: >> > >>Hi all, >> > >> >> > >>Flarms are standalone devices. They won't stop >> > >>working tomorrow, because there is nothing to >> > >>stop them working. A Flarm on V5 will see a >> > >>Flarm on V5 just the same for ever, so it is >> > >>probably better for the upgrade at a club, or >> > >>in an area where gliders often fly together, to >> > >>be co-ordinated. Making an instant change to >> > >>your own Flarm might simply disable yours :) >> > >> >> > >>Flarm is being 100% consistent in its policy, >> > >>and if that is irresponsible well then more >> > >>irresponsibility from Tony Abbott would be good >> > >>(if that is possible). They have NEVER >> > >>guaranteed that a major version upgrade is >> > >>backward compatible, in fact they have always >> > >>said that any backward compatibility between >> > >>major versions is coincidental. I make no >> > >>comment on the reasons or the necessity for this policy. >> > >> >> > >>There's nothing wrong with a Flarm, except for >> > >>the far too high expectations we have of it. >> > >> >> > >>Just look out the window - no version changes >> > >>required but make sure your specs are up to spec. >> > >> >> > >>Cheers >> > >> >> > >>Tim Shirley >> > >> >> > >>tra dire ? fare c' ? mezzo il mare >> > >>On 14/03/2015 6:54 PM, Matthew Scutter wrote: >> > >>>FYI: >> > >>>FLARM has now published it's latest update - v6. >> > >>>It's available here: >> > >>><http://flarm.com/support/firmware-updates/>http://flarm.com/support/firmware-updates/ >> > >>> >> > >>>The protocols in the current version (v5) and >> > >>>new version (v6) are supposedly totally >> > >>>incompatible, so please update your FLARMs >> > >>>before next flight or you won't be able to see pilots with the other >> > >>>version. >> > >>> >> > >>><soapbox opinion> I think it's very >> > >>>irresponsible of FLARM to publish a backwards >> > >>>incompatible upgrade like this. I am glad I am >> > >>>not flying in the Alps this weekend. </opinion> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>>_______________________________________________ >> > >>>Aus-soaring mailing list >> > >>><mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] >> > >>>To check or change subscription details, visit: >> > >>><http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring>http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >>_______________________________________________ >> > >>Aus-soaring mailing list >> > >><mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] >> > >>To check or change subscription details, visit: >> > >><http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring>http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >> > > >> > >_______________________________________________ >> > >Aus-soaring mailing list >> > >[email protected] >> > >To check or change subscription details, visit: >> > >http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >> > >> > Borgelt Instruments - design & manufacture of >> > quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 >> > www.borgeltinstruments.com >> > tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 >> > mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 >> > P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia >> > -------------- next part -------------- >> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> > URL: >> > <http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/private/aus-soaring/attachments/20150316/97c4f1e8/attachment.html> >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > >> > Message: 2 >> > Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 19:19:16 +1100 >> > From: Erich Wittstock <[email protected]> >> > Subject: [Aus-soaring] Easter Comp 2015 cancelled >> > To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." >> > <[email protected]> >> > Message-ID: >> > <caph3ingu9naf3qd9syosnusgocnb6z6dzxvcxnu_2bjsm0n...@mail.gmail.com> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> > >> > Regretfully the decision has been made to cancel this years Easter >> > Competition that was to be held at Goondiwindi. The principal reason was >> > a lack of competitors. There were not sufficient entrants to justify the >> > commitment of the organisers, it was a risk financially and the small >> > numbers in the classes gave little competition. >> > >> > It is unfortunate however we felt it better to cancel rather than try to >> > run a sub-standard event. We will commence planning in a couple of months >> > for Easter 2016. Watch for our announcements. >> > >> > For those who have made the commitment to go to Goondiwindi this year all >> > is not totally lost for you. Warwick Club intend to fly all week and >> > offer non-competitive scored soaring for those interested. If you are >> > interested contact Warwick club www.warwickgliding.org.au >> > >> > >> > >> > Lindsay Mitchell >> > President >> > Queensland Gliding Assoc. 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The principal reason was a >> > lack of competitors. There were not sufficient entrants to justify the >> > commitment of the organisers, it was a risk financially and the small >> > numbers in the classes gave little competition. >> > >> > >> > >> > It is unfortunate however we felt it better to cancel rather than try to >> > run a sub-standard event. We will commence planning in a couple of months >> > for Easter 2016. Watch for our announcements. >> > >> > >> > >> > For those who have made the commitment to go to Goondiwindi this year all >> > is not totally lost for you. Warwick Club intend to fly all week and offer >> > non-competitive scored soaring for those interested. If you are interested >> > contact Warwick club www.warwickgliding.org.au >> > <http://www.warwickgliding.org.au/> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Lindsay Mitchell >> > President >> > Queensland Gliding Assoc. 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