I appreciate that perspective, I do, even in academia some universities have commercialisation arms (even the uni where i earned my doctorate) that limit research that are not desired to be public domain.
Cheers, Terry -- Mobile device, don't expect grammar. > On 2 Aug 2022, at 6:01 pm, Etienne-Victor Depasquale <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I'm just an academic (from Malta) whose research depends on and concerns > dissemination of information on telecoms networks and > reading that a presenter at a conference would ask "don't stream, don't > share slides" is puzzling and disconcerting ... > > Cheers, > > Etienne > >> On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 9:53 AM Terry Manderson <[email protected]> wrote: >> its not that Australia is special, but (from experience) previous presenters >> have said explicitly "don't stream, don't share slides". >> >> i.e In $dayjob I cannot show or say things regarding some stuff that is >> recorded or streamed... >> >> Cheers, >> Terry >> -- >> Mobile device, don't expect grammar. >> >>>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 5:48 pm, Nathan Brookfield >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>> >>> I’m not buying that this is the case because any single person considering >>> 300 people have laptops out could record this at any time whether Video or >>> Audio. >>> >>> >>> >>> NZNOG stream, NANOG stream, I went to a conference recently for RPAS with >>> companies like Boeing, Northrop Grumman and other military industrial >>> complex types talking and it was all streamed privately with an NDA agreed >>> too when opening the stream, we’re way past the days of someone saying >>> something in a room being private and if the other NOG’s can do it then why >>> is Australia special…. >>> >>> >>> >>> From: AusNOG <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Shaun Deans >>> Sent: Tuesday, 2 August 2022 5:43 PM >>> To: Terry Manderson <[email protected]> >>> Cc: AusNOG Mailing List <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. >>> >>> >>> >>> All valid points and it's hard to please humans 100% of the time. >>> >>> >>> >>> All we can do is provide options and boundaries which the board have done. >>> >>> >>> >>> It's now up to the community to make choices. >>> >>> >>> >>> The board to a great job and it's easy for me to play devil's advocate from >>> my arm chair. >>> >>> >>> >>> I look forward to attending an AusNOG in any inclusive and available form >>> that works for everyone. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Shaun Deans >>> 🧙♂️ kadeo.au >>> 1800 WKD KDO >>> 📱🏃♂️ >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 17:34 Terry Manderson, <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Heh 😏 .666 of a seat ... cute 😂 >>> >>> >>> >>> there are of course two other interesting components to this 1. "its the >>> network (of people) behind the network.. eg get to know people, meet >>> people, be in person (if you can) and build trust by eating with, drinking >>> with, those that you can help or they can help you.... 2. if it is streamed >>> and you are remote, the "ausnog steam blackout" isn't helpful to anyone. >>> >>> >>> >>> my perspective, ymmv. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Terry >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Mobile device, don't expect grammar. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 5:23 pm, Shaun Deans <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Terry >>> >>> >>> >>> You do raise a valid point and I hear your view. >>> >>> >>> >>> Numbers and statistics can be viewed to make anyone's points true I was >>> just saying - what if. >>> >>> >>> >>> > Past performance is not a indicator of future performance. /s >>> >>> > All advice is general in nature /s >>> >>> >>> >>> But in the interest of healthy community debate: >>> >>> >>> >>> Let's say 1/4 of the talks are only 'in the room' >>> >>> >>> >>> Therefore the above is discounted by 25% cause the participants only get >>> 75% of the event. >>> >>> >>> >>> - 15,000 / ($300 * 0.75) = 66.666 Tickets. >>> >>> >>> >>> For every pro there is a con. >>> >>> Innovation does not come without compromise. >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm sure those extra 16 seats will sell fast with the e-swag that they >>> receive. >>> >>> >>> >>> Don't know how I'm going to fill that .666 of a seat 😈 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Shaun Deans >>> 🧙♂️ kadeo.au >>> 1800 WKD KDO >>> 📱🏃♂️ >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 17:09 Andrew White, <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I thought the key benefit was Sactioned Swag (tm)? >>> >>> >>> >>> - Whitey >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 at 17:04, Terry Manderson <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Shaun, >>> >>> >>> >>> are you aware that not all presentations can be streamed? Many presenters >>> provide content that is "in room only" and even their slides can't be >>> shared. How does that factor into you math? >>> >>> >>> >>> That is the key benefit of AusNOG IMHO as there have been (and will be) >>> many presentations you won't see on youtube. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Terry >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Mobile device, don't expect grammar. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 4:33 pm, Shaun Deans <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> It got the better of me and I'm glad it did. >>> >>> >>> >>> TLDR: 50x Streams = 'the sponsor' - Swag >>> >>> >>> >>> --- >>> >>> Income >>> August 2022 = ~ 300 Attendees at $600 per ticket (Average) >>> Total $180K >>> Sponsors = 'Nearly Half' → $90K >>> Who Done It And What Did They Offer ? >>> I'm just going to say everyone pays equal but they probably don't >>> This will bias for the fact that it could be any tiering and we don't want >>> to single out community members who may be sponsors >>> So the 'sponsor income' could be 15K >>> nice round number >>> and its 'nearly half' >>> Streaming to to masses! >>> 50% Cost for Streaming Ticket = $300 >>> Total Streams = $15,000 / $300 >>> That's only 50 tickets and it may break even >>> 3 people said they'd be interested already. >>> This doesn't include: >>> Savings: Onsite Costs such as venue hire, insurance, etc etc >>> Expenses: Bandwidth and Streaming Costs >>> Past performance is not a indicator of future performance. /s >>> All advice is general in nature /s >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> SD. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 02, 2022 at 15:19:29, Shaun Deans <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> > How about NOG focus on meaningful things like streaming the event for >>> > those who can’t attend >>> >>> >>> >>> I for one would pay up to 50% of the in-person price for a live stream. I >>> have done just this for TedX. >>> >>> >>> >>> Would love to see the math on the income from 'the sponsor' and stack that >>> against the income from copious live streams (minus in-person overheads). >>> >>> >>> >>> For an NOG we seem to be very offline >>> >>> >>> >>> <S>It not like we couldn't find some spare bandwidth for a live stream.</s> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> >>> >>> Shaun Deans >>> >>> kadeo.au >>> >>> 1800 WKD KDO >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 14:43 Karl Kloppenborg, <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi David, >>> >>> >>> >>> At 500-600 dollars a ticket, I’d like you to respect the financial >>> commitment I’ve made to gathering as much merch from my industry peers as >>> I’d like. >>> >>> >>> >>> This has historically always taken place and given the small community >>> nature of NOG, something many of us look forward to as part of the >>> experience, we like swapping our merch with our friends. It saves postage. >>> >>> >>> >>> I would say this not only misses the mark but is a continued slap of the >>> face to all those that pay good money to attend the event in hopes to meet >>> with their industry peers but more importantly friends. >>> >>> >>> >>> How about NOG focus on meaningful things like streaming the event for those >>> who can’t attend, or providing a continued framework to making the event a >>> safer place for all? >>> >>> >>> >>> Honestly. >>> >>> >>> >>> Kind Regards, >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Karl Kloppenborg, (BCompSc, CNCF-[KCNA, CKA, CKAD], LFCE, CompTIA Linux+ >>> XK0-004) >>> >>> Managing Director, Invention Labs. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: AusNOG <[email protected]> on behalf of [email protected] >>> <[email protected]> >>> Date: Tuesday, 2 August 2022 at 2:21 pm >>> To: AusNOG Mailing List <[email protected]> >>> Subject: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. >>> >>> Afternoon all, >>> >>> We've been contacted by one of the sponsors of our conference in April >>> about companies who aren't sponsors handing out promotional material, in >>> particular branded t-shirts etc. While everyone likes getting a bag full >>> of free merch, we ask that attendees respect the financial commitment that >>> our sponsors make towards funding the conference. They cover almost half >>> the cost and in return they get the right to promote themselves to all of >>> you who attend. >>> >>> If you are not a sponsor please do not distribute swag to delegates at the >>> conference. >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> David, on behalf of the Board >>> ... >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AusNOG mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> AusNOG mailing list >>> >>> [email protected] >>> >>> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AusNOG mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AusNOG mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> AusNOG mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > > -- > Ing. 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