I'm just an academic (from Malta) whose research depends on and concerns dissemination of information on telecoms networks and reading that a presenter at a conference would ask "don't stream, don't share slides" is puzzling and disconcerting ...
Cheers, Etienne On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 9:53 AM Terry Manderson <[email protected]> wrote: > its not that Australia is special, but (from experience) previous > presenters have said explicitly "don't stream, don't share slides". > > i.e In $dayjob I cannot show or say things regarding some stuff that is > recorded or streamed... > > Cheers, > Terry > -- > Mobile device, don't expect grammar. > > On 2 Aug 2022, at 5:48 pm, Nathan Brookfield < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > I’m not buying that this is the case because any single person considering > 300 people have laptops out could record this at any time whether Video or > Audio. > > > > NZNOG stream, NANOG stream, I went to a conference recently for RPAS with > companies like Boeing, Northrop Grumman and other military industrial > complex types talking and it was all streamed privately with an NDA agreed > too when opening the stream, we’re way past the days of someone saying > something in a room being private and if the other NOG’s can do it then why > is Australia special…. > > > > *From:* AusNOG <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Shaun Deans > *Sent:* Tuesday, 2 August 2022 5:43 PM > *To:* Terry Manderson <[email protected]> > *Cc:* AusNOG Mailing List <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. > > > > All valid points and it's hard to please humans 100% of the time. > > > > All we can do is provide options and boundaries which the board have done. > > > > It's now up to the community to make choices. > > > > The board to a great job and it's easy for me to play devil's advocate > from my arm chair. > > > > I look forward to attending an AusNOG in any inclusive and available form > that works for everyone. > > > > > > Cheers > > Shaun Deans > 🧙♂️ kadeo.au > 1800 WKD KDO > 📱🏃♂️ > > > > On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 17:34 Terry Manderson, <[email protected]> wrote: > > Heh 😏 .666 of a seat ... cute 😂 > > > > there are of course two other interesting components to this 1. "its the > network (of people) behind the network.. eg get to know people, meet > people, be in person (if you can) and build trust by eating with, drinking > with, those that you can help or they can help you.... 2. if it is streamed > and you are remote, the "ausnog steam blackout" isn't helpful to anyone. > > > > my perspective, ymmv. > > Cheers, > > Terry > > -- > > Mobile device, don't expect grammar. > > > > On 2 Aug 2022, at 5:23 pm, Shaun Deans <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Terry > > > > You do raise a valid point and I hear your view. > > > > Numbers and statistics can be viewed to make anyone's points true I was > just saying - what if. > > > > > Past performance is not a indicator of future performance. /s > > > All advice is general in nature /s > > > > But in the interest of healthy community debate: > > > > Let's say 1/4 of the talks are only 'in the room' > > > > Therefore the above is discounted by 25% cause the participants only get > 75% of the event. > > > > - 15,000 / ($300 * 0.75) = 66.666 Tickets. > > > > For every pro there is a con. > > Innovation does not come without compromise. > > > > I'm sure those extra 16 seats will sell fast with the e-swag that they > receive. > > > > Don't know how I'm going to fill that .666 of a seat 😈 > > > > > > Cheers > > Shaun Deans > 🧙♂️ kadeo.au > 1800 WKD KDO > 📱🏃♂️ > > > > On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 17:09 Andrew White, <[email protected]> wrote: > > I thought the key benefit was Sactioned Swag (tm)? > > > > - Whitey > > > > On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 at 17:04, Terry Manderson <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Shaun, > > > > are you aware that not all presentations can be streamed? Many presenters > provide content that is "in room only" and even their slides can't be > shared. How does that factor into you math? > > > > That is the key benefit of AusNOG IMHO as there have been (and will be) > many presentations you won't see on youtube. > > Cheers, > > Terry > > -- > > Mobile device, don't expect grammar. > > > > On 2 Aug 2022, at 4:33 pm, Shaun Deans <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > It got the better of me and I'm glad it did. > > > > TLDR: 50x Streams = 'the sponsor' *- Swag * > > > > --- > > 1. Income > > > 1. August 2022 = ~ 300 Attendees > <https://www.ausnog.net/events/ausnog-2021/attendees>at $600 per > ticket (Average) > <https://www.ausnog.net/events/ausnog-2022/registration> > 2. Total $180K > 3. Sponsors = 'Nearly Half' → $90K > > > 1. Who Done It And What Did They Offer ? > > > 1. I'm just going to say everyone pays equal but they probably don't > 2. This will bias for the fact that it could be any tiering and we > don't want to single out community members who may be sponsors > 3. So the 'sponsor income' could be 15K > > > 1. nice round number > 2. and its 'nearly half' > > > 1. Streaming to to masses! > > > 1. 50% Cost for Streaming Ticket = $300 > 2. Total Streams = $15,000 / $300 > 3. That's only *50 tickets and it may break even* > > > 1. 3 people said they'd be interested already. > > > 1. This doesn't include: > > > 1. Savings: Onsite Costs such as venue hire, insurance, etc etc > 2. Expenses: Bandwidth and Streaming Costs[image: 🙄] > > > 1. *Past performance is not a indicator of future performance. /s* > 2. *All advice is general in nature /s* > > [image: 🎤][image: 💁♂️] > > > > SD. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 02, 2022 at 15:19:29, Shaun Deans <[email protected]> wrote: > > > How about NOG focus on meaningful things like streaming the event for > those who can’t attend > > > > I for one would pay up to 50% of the in-person price for a live stream. I > have done just this for TedX. > > > > Would love to see the math on the income from 'the sponsor' and stack that > against the income from copious live streams (minus in-person overheads). > > > > For an NOG we seem to be very offline [image: 🤷♀️] > > > > <S>It not like we couldn't find some spare bandwidth for a live stream.</s> > > > > > > Cheers > > > > Shaun Deans > > [image: 🧙♂️]kadeo.au > > 1800 WKD KDO > > [image: 📱][image: 🏃♂️] > > > > On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 14:43 Karl Kloppenborg, <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi David, > > > > At 500-600 dollars a ticket, I’d like you to respect the financial > commitment I’ve made to gathering as much merch from my industry peers as > I’d like. > > > > This has historically always taken place and given the small community > nature of NOG, something many of us look forward to as part of the > experience, we like swapping our merch with our friends. It saves postage. > > > > I would say this not only misses the mark but is a continued slap of the > face to all those that pay good money to attend the event in hopes to meet > with their industry peers but more importantly *friends.* > > > > How about NOG focus on meaningful things like streaming the event for > those who can’t attend, or providing a continued framework to making the > event a safer place for all? > > > > Honestly. > > > > Kind Regards, > > -- > > *Karl Kloppenborg, **(BCompSc, CNCF-[KCNA, CKA, CKAD], LFCE, CompTIA > Linux+ XK0-004)* > > Managing Director, Invention Labs. > > > > > > *From: *AusNOG <[email protected]> on behalf of [email protected] < > [email protected]> > *Date: *Tuesday, 2 August 2022 at 2:21 pm > *To: *AusNOG Mailing List <[email protected]> > *Subject: *[AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events. > > Afternoon all, > > We've been contacted by one of the sponsors of our conference in April > about companies who aren't sponsors handing out promotional material, in > particular branded t-shirts etc. While everyone likes getting a bag full > of free merch, we ask that attendees respect the financial commitment that > our sponsors make towards funding the conference. They cover almost half > the cost and in return they get the right to promote themselves to all of > you who attend. > > If you are not a sponsor please do not distribute swag to delegates at the > conference. > > > Regards, > > David, on behalf of the Board > ... > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > _______________________________________________ > > AusNOG mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > -- Ing. Etienne-Victor Depasquale Assistant Lecturer Department of Communications & Computer Engineering Faculty of Information & Communication Technology University of Malta Web. https://www.um.edu.mt/profile/etiennedepasquale
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