On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 10:54 +0000, Daniel Carrera wrote:
[snip]
> Someone might. But consider that the OOo council has already talked 
> about telling OOoAuthors to move. They thought of it. It seems wrong to 
> say to someone "you can't use our list anymore" and when they move then 
> say "see, they betrayed us!".

I feel betrayed by OOoAuthors!

My interpretation of what the OOo council is saying is "if the
OOoAuthors leaders keep betraying the OOo community then we will have to
take what steps we can to distance ourselves from OOoAuthors". To me
this is a perfectly reasonable stance.

It has been suggested that the printing of the books was discussed prior
to printing but no one has been able to point to archived messages of
that discussion.

It has also been suggested that the rationale for changing the mailing
list server is a technical one. Yes the OOo mail server was slow last
week, and has been on a few other occasions as well. To the best of my
knowledge this has been due to problems with circulating viruses. Can
anybody guarantee that the new server won't have issues with viruses and
needing to act prudently to prevent their spread?

It is my impression that the OOoAuthor leads have been vociferous in
their attacks about the lack of interaction of the OOo web site yet I
have not seen them contribute to the developemnt if the OOo wiki.

To me the issue is about the OOoAuthor leads wanting to be independent
of the rest of the OOo community. To me it appears that the decision to
print and sell the work of the community is to fund their independent
endeavours and that having a separate mail list is the next step in this
independence.

I am strongly opposed to moving this list.

My recommendation is that OOoAuthors people work to improve the official
OOo wiki, including the uploading of files, so that the development of
OOo documentation is done on an OOo server. To me the fragmentation of
the OOo community by OOoAuthors can no longer be justified on the
grounds of lack of interactivity of the OOo site. The confusion that
this fragmentation has and is causing should stop. To me if the
OOoAuthors are genuinely interested in the well being of the
OpenOffice.org community then they would be seeking to improve the
integration of OOoAuthors with the rest of the OOo community not further
the separation and thus increase the amount of confusion.

-- 
Ian Laurenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hillview

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