Rob Unsworth wrote:
On Thu, 1 Dec 2005, Jacqueline McNally wrote:
Rob Unsworth wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2005, Jacqueline McNally wrote:
As only authors may vote to move the list, I think subscribers
to this list should be "invited" to join any new list. That is,
no bulk subscription.
Why? Any one on this list will not be subscribed to a new list,
all that will happen is the current mailing list will be located
to a new server and use different software.
Rather than answer that, I'll ask a different question.
Why does this list exist? Why are we not subscribed and using
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Regards Jacqueline
As you are reluctant to answer my previous question,
I am not reluctant to answer the question you have raised. I am
reluctant to raise previous historical discussions that at worst were
considered acrinmous and at best robust.
perhaps you would prefer to answer why after your first post to this
list you have changed your sig from, Regards Jacqueline McNally Lead,
OpenOffice.org Marketing Project
Easy to answer. I'm getting used to using signatures in my email client
rather than typing them each time. I sometimes forget to not use it, and
sometime forget to use it. I'm still evaluating whether using an
automatically attached signature is worth it as I can type quite fast,
but it's nice when I want to include a quote that takes my fancy.
Have you joined this list, for the purpose of reporting to the OOo
Community Council of which you are a member?
I have been a subscriber to this list since it's inception and two
previous incarnations before that. I remember being on a list with only
three other subscribers that posted. So I think I have been "on it"
longer than most of the people here :)
An extract from your email to the CC, where is the "we" (oooAuthors)
in this message.
I have included a link to my complete reply, as I feel that it is you
that has singled out OOoAuthors.
See: http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=710
I believe the oooAuthors was specifically targeted and discriminated
against by the OOo Community Council.
Mmm, no. I felt keenly about the various responses to Mary's post (my
first example in the above linked reply), so the timeliness of being
able to compare Mary's book with that of other documentation for sale
was fortuitous. If anyone was to be singled out, it is Mary, and I tried
not to by providing two other related examples.
The following is an addendum to the guidelines posted by Louis
Sarez-Potts. It is the first post in the thread indicating some
considerable off list discussion.
No. It is an issue that the Community Council has being attempting to
resolve for some time. You will find references of it sprinkled amongst
several projects' mailing lists, Marketing, BizDev, Native-Lang
projects, and the Community Council. The recent incidents brought it to
the surface again.
<addendum>
OpenOffice.org is not opposed to people and companies making money
from their personal investment in OpenOffice.org. But we have some
strictures, which are aimed to make the Project a pleasant
collaborative space for all and to locate commercial activity to
certain public areas, such as the Support page (http://
support.openoffice.org/) and parts of the Documentation Project
(http://documentation.openoffice.org/).
* Outside of designated areas, such as the Support page, works for
sale listed on the Project website should benefit OpenOffice.org, not
the individual author or authors. Works listed that benefit the
author (s) only or an association of them will be removed.
* Sponsor ads are accepted but are to be located in designated areas,
such as the sponsors page for conferences, the Support page, and
other similar locations, with two exceptions: Sun Microsystems, and
CollabNet, the location of whose ads we have minimal control.
</addendum>
http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=702
(The starting point for this thread.)
If you had any doubt that oooAuthors was being singled out, this post
from louis should remove that doubt.
I disagree, for the reasons stated above.
<Louis> * Let us vote on this.
I'd also then like to raise the immediate consequence: That we
contact the Authors list and Documentation project and request that
the material listed there referenced here [0] be removed from the
Documentation Project immediately (OOoAuthors User Guides are here
[1]), and that OOo resources, i.e., the [EMAIL PROTECTED]
faq.openoffice.org list, not be used for the profit of OOoAuthors.
OR
that the profits be donated to the OpenOffice.org project, i.e., Team
OpenOffice.org e.V.
Let us discuss this and vote
Best,
Louis
[0] http://user-faq.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?
list=authors&msgNo=10276 [1]
http://documentation.openoffice.org/manuals/index.html </Louis>
Why all this interest in ooAuthors, it's called success. Do not let
the CC or anyone change the model that is ooAuthors to do so will
change what has made you so successful.
OOoAuthors is simply a recent example of why the Community Council is
attempting to finalise guidelines. As is Mary's. So that they are fair
for everyone.
The www.openoffice.org site website is a resource to raise funds for
OpenOffice.org. To have a link to another group to raise funds does not
quite sit right for me.
The Openoffice.org website has support, and instructions for the
downloading of OpenOffice.org for burning onto CD to be sold for
profit by a third party, with no requirement that the profits be
donated to Team OpenOffice.org e.V.
No. But there are no buy or purchase links to re-direct funds either.
We do encourage CDROM distributors to contribute back, and some do.
Using a directory similar to that of the Consultants Directory has been
discussed.
Jacqueline, on behalf of the Community Council please explain why the
sellers of CDs are not being treated the same as oooAuthors.
Actually, I think we are. The CDROM distributors are listed in one area,
as are the consultants within the Consultants Directory
(http://bizdev.openoffice.org/consultants.html). The guidelines that are
under discussion is so that items for sale are clearly identified as
such (who is the provider) and held in a designated area.
Jacqueline, go talk to the CC and find a way to work with ooAuthors
for the betterment of OOo, *do not* break a successful team whose
only goal is to improve OOo.
For various reasons, OOoAuthors have set themselves apart from the very
beginning. If this has contributed or qualified what you call a
successful team, then great.
The proposal (subject of this thread) was to move subscribers from this
list ([email protected]) to a new list under the
oooauthors.org domain. That's ok. In fact I prefer Mailman lists :) What
is not ok, is to automatically assume that the subscriber list should be
automatically transferred to the new list.
Regards
Jacqueline
"Humans are allergic to change. They love to say, 'We've always done it
this way.' I try to fight that. That's why I have a clock on my wall
that runs counter-clockwise." --Grace Murray Hopper
