Hi Sigrid, Reply in-line. On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 22:05 +0100, Sigrid Kronenberger wrote: > Hi Ian, > > Ian Laurenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > [snip] > > It has been suggested that the printing of the books was discussed > > prior to printing but no one has been able to point to archived > > messages of that discussion. > > There have been several discussions earlier. I just have searched the > mailing-list archives for some threads: > > http://user-faq.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=authors&msgId=1602291 > > As you can read there, we've talked very early (last year!) about > selling the guides. There are also some more threads about publishing > the guides - I think you'll find them. > Will respond to this in response to Janet's message. > > > > It has also been suggested that the rationale for changing the mailing > > list server is a technical one. Yes the OOo mail server was slow last > > week, and has been on a few other occasions as well. To the best of my > > knowledge this has been due to problems with circulating viruses. Can > > anybody guarantee that the new server won't have issues with viruses > > and needing to act prudently to prevent their spread? > > Yes, most reasons are technical reasons. It's very hard for me to work > via a mailinglist, which is so slow, that a message, that I'll send to > it, will need 4 days until it appears on-list. (This happened to me > during the last two months!) And I can tell you, that I'm not only > working on the authors-list, I'm also an active member of the > germanophone project. :) > My question was rhetorical. Any list could potentially have the same problems as that experienced by the OOo mailing lists. Just as anyserver can have downtime. Think of the number of times the OOoAuthors site has been down.
> > > > It is my impression that the OOoAuthor leads have been vociferous in > > their attacks about the lack of interaction of the OOo web site yet I > > have not seen them contribute to the developemnt if the OOo wiki. > > > > To me the issue is about the OOoAuthor leads wanting to be independent > > of the rest of the OOo community. To me it appears that the decision > > to print and sell the work of the community is to fund their > > independent endeavours and that having a separate mail list is the > > next step in this independence. > > > > I am strongly opposed to moving this list. > > It is your personal right, to have your own opinion. To find out what > all our active members want, is why Janet has set up a Plone poll. Every > author can vote, if he/she wants the list to move or to stay at the > place, where it's now. I don't have an argument about this - I believe it is usual to say why you are voting for or against something - which is exactly what I have done. > > When you say, that the OOoAuthors-leads want to be independent of the > OOoCommunity, this isn't true and you start insinuating things. Most of > the authors work in their native-lang projects and are doing there a lot > of work for OOo. > I did start my statement with "To me ...". I had hoped to make it clear that this was my opinion. > There are only one or two persons, who have "personal problems" with > some of the OOo-leads. But it's infamous, to say, that this is the > reason for the move. The huge majority of authors of OOoAuthors is > working in good athmosphere in their local projects. > > > > > My recommendation is that OOoAuthors people work to improve the > > official OOo wiki, including the uploading of files, so that the > > development of OOo documentation is done on an OOo server. To me the > > fragmentation of the OOo community by OOoAuthors can no longer be > > justified on the grounds of lack of interactivity of the OOo site. The > > confusion that this fragmentation has and is causing should stop. To > > me if the OOoAuthors are genuinely interested in the well being of the > > OpenOffice.org community then they would be seeking to improve the > > integration of OOoAuthors with the rest of the OOo community not > > further the separation and thus increase the amount of confusion. > > Hm, can you provide a link to the OOoWiki? I saw a note only on the > dev-list, and I thought it's only useful for development issues, but not > for collaborative work on user guides. But I'll check it out. Covered in response to Jean's message. > > > Sigrid > > -- Ian Laurenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hillview
