David, The Pel on the birth record is most likely the shorthand for Pimentel. You see this a lot in older records. Roiz for Rodrigues, Ant for Antonio, Ma for Maria. etc
I have ancestors also that had a pai incognito and a named mother from Corvo. With a name like Maria Coelho, you are likely at the end of the road. Coelho is one of the most common names on Corvo, Maria, the most common womans name. I have the Flores marrige book here. Who are you looking for/ Eric Edgar On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Kawika322 <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi all, > > I have been looking at the Flores posts and wanted to throw my family > line out there to see if there were any connections. > > My gg grandfather was Antonio Pedro Freitas. He was born 4 Mar 1853 in > NS Rosario, Lajes de Flores. He also had a brother Jose Freitas Pedro > who was born 8 Nov 1856. Both of them ended up immigrating to Oakland > in the late 1870's to early 1880's. Antonio's parents were Joao > Antoino de Freitas Mendonca and Maria Laurena do Sacramento. They were > married 6 Sep 1849 in Lajes de Flores. The family line for Maria > Luarena do Sacramento gets tricky. Her parents werre Pedro Jose de > Avellar and Ursula Joaquina. Pedro Jose was from Sao Pedro, Ponta > Delgada, Flores and Ursula Joaquina was from Lajes de Flores. They > were married 18 Feb 1813 in Lajes de Flores. Here is where I am having > trouble tracking the line. Both Pedro Jose and Ursula Joaquina were > pai incognitos, meaning that there is no father listed for either of > them. Pedro Jose's mother was Florenca Maria (probably also went by > Florenca de Jesus) and Ursula Joaquin'a mother was Isabel Maria. I was > able to find the birht record for Pedro Jose (16 Oct 1793 in Sao > Pedro, Ponta Delgada, Flores), and it gave me another brick wall > because it stated that his mother Florenca Maria was also a pai > incognito and there is no father listed for her. Her mother is stated > as being Maria Coelho from the Island of Corvo. Any ideas or > information would helpful on that line. As for Ursula Joaquina, I > believe I found her baptismal record from 4 Mar 1798 in Lages de > Flores, but am not totally sure it is the right one. It lists her > mother Isabel Maria and her parents Francisco Pel* (hard to tell from > the record) and Maria Pimentel. I have not been able to find anything > beyond that for them. > > If someone has access to the Flores/Corvo Marriage book, would they be > able to do some lookup's?? My Mendonca line also ends up going from > Flores to Corvo at sompoint. > > Thanks, > > David > > > On Jun 11, 6:59 am, Karlushko <[email protected]> wrote: > > Cereja = Cherry > > > > Karlushko - Itajai/SC/Brasil - New York/USA > > Pesquisando: > > Alemanha, Belgica, Brasil, Luxemburgo, Italia, Portugal, Açores, Espanha > > Agueda, Aguiar, André, Antunes, Arruda, Baptista, Beirao, Brasil, Bulcão, > Cardoso, Correia, Costa, Dias, Dutra, Faria, Fernandes, Ferreira, Figueiro, > Gaspar, Gato, Gomes Gonçalves, Guedes, Jorge, Leal, Lemos, Macedo, Machado, > Marques, Martins, Matos, Mello, Miranda, Moreira, Nascimento, Netto, > Nogueira, Nunes, Oliveira, Pereira, Ponte, Quadrado, Rebello, Rodrigues, > Santos, Silva, Silveira, Simão, Sodré, Souza, Vieira, Zabuya, Fiorenzano, > Bertemes, Reinert, Ottekier, Van der Gocht, de Pres, Hesse, Laux, Schumer, > Jungklaus. > > > > --- Em qui, 10/6/10, Arlene Marcoux <[email protected]> escreveu: > > > > De: Arlene Marcoux <[email protected]> > > Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Flores Genealogy and Drinking Society > > Para: [email protected] > > Data: Quinta-feira, 10 de Junho de 2010, 17:50 > > > > #yiv906910627 P { > > MARGIN:0px;} > > > > > > > > > > > > From: "eric edgar" <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 9, 2010 5:19:23 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Flores Genealogy and Drinking Society > > > > Beverly, > > > > Brick Wall, no more! By following Deolinda's sister Catherine, I located > her husband obit, then used his birthdate and origin in Flores to locate his > baptism in Lajedo. That was done by > > > > looking for a similar name in the Flores e Corvo marrige book. Silvestre > Antonio Serpa, had the same name as his grandfather. Taking the guess that > they are from the same town > > > > I located Deolinda's baptisn record on the CCA site. Then used the > marriage book to build the tree. I already had some of the ancestors in my > files from work on my Vieira family and a > > > > friends Xavier and Novo families from the area. So here are your people: > > > > > > > > Eric Edgar > > Ancestors of Deolinda Goncalves Pedro > > > > > > Generation No. 1 > > > > 1. Deolinda Goncalves Pedro, born 19 Nov 1875 in Lajedo, Lajes > das Flores, Azores; died 17 Feb 1953 in Merced County, California. She was > the daughter of 2. Antonio Jose Goncalves and 3. Isabel de Jesus. > > > > Generation No. 2 > > > > 2. Antonio Jose Goncalves He was the son of 4. Antonio Furtado > Goncalves and 5. Isabel dos Santos. He married 3. Isabel de Jesus 22 Oct > 1850 in Nossa Senhora dos Milagres, Lajedo das Lajes, Azores. > > 3. Isabel de Jesus She was the daughter of 6. Manuel Coelho > Ramos and 7. Agueda Clementina de Jesus. > > > > Child of Antonio Goncalves and Isabel de Jesus is: > > 1 i. Deolinda Goncalves Pedro, born 19 Nov > 1875 in Lajedo, Lajes das Flores, Azores; died 17 Feb 1953 in Merced County, > California. > > > > > > Generation No. 3 > > > > 4. Antonio Furtado Goncalves He was the son of 8. Pedro Antonio > Goncalves and 9. Maria Ursula. He married 5. Isabel dos Santos 11 Oct 1827 > in Nossa Senhora dos Milagres, Lajedo das Lajes, Azores. > > 5. Isabel dos Santos She was the daughter of 10. Jose Coelho > Cereja and 11. Maria dos Santos. > > > > Child of Antonio Goncalves and Isabel Santos is: > > 2 i. Antonio Jose Goncalves, married Isabel de > Jesus 22 Oct 1850 in Nossa Senhora dos Milagres, Lajedo das Lajes, Azores. > > > > > > 6. Manuel Coelho Ramos He married 7. Agueda Clementina de Jesus > 08 Mar 1823 in Nossa Senhora do Rosario, Lajes das Flores, Azores. > > 7. Agueda Clementina de Jesus > > > > Child of Manuel Ramos and Agueda de Jesus is: > > 3 i. Isabel de Jesus, married Antonio Jose > Goncalves 22 Oct 1850 in Nossa Senhora dos Milagres, Lajedo das Lajes, > Azores. > > > > > > Generation No. 4 > > > > 8. Pedro Antonio Goncalves He was the son of Joao Lourenco > Goncalves and Barbara Lourenco. He married 9. Maria Ursula 23 Apr 1789 in > Nossa Senhora do Rosario, Lajes das Flores, Azores. > > 9. Maria Ursula She was the daughter of Jose Furtado Trigueiro > and Ursula Pimentel. > > > > Child of Pedro Goncalves and Maria Ursula is: > > 4 i. Antonio Furtado Goncalves, married Isabel > dos Santos 11 Oct 1827 in Nossa Senhora dos Milagres, Lajedo das Lajes, > Azores. > > > > > > 10. Jose Coelho Cereja He was the son of Caetano Furtado Cereja > and Maria Coelho. He married 11. Maria dos Santos 14 Feb 1787 in Nossa > Senhora do Rosario, Lajes das Flores, Azores. > > 11. Maria dos Santos She was the daughter of Joao Coelho > Marreca and Maria de Freitas Baijinha. > > > > Child of Jose Cereja and Maria Santos is: > > 5 i. Isabel dos Santos, married Antonio > Furtado Goncalves 11 Oct 1827 in Nossa Senhora dos Milagres, Lajedo das > Lajes, Azores. > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<azores%[email protected]>. > Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. > > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group athttp:// > groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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