Hi Margaret,
I'd appreciate any information that you can glean from the record....it's very
difficult to read. Velas marriages, 1788-1806, page # 72. Record # 1355.
June 4, 1800, Antonio Jose de Sousa Pereira,
23 yrs with Marianna Clara do Espirito Santo, 26yrs. I believe his parents are
Manoel Pereira de Sousa and Isabel de Jesus and her parents are given as Joao
de Sousa Cardosa and Isabel do Rosario.
I thought Marianna would be easy to find but I just can't find her anywhere in
Velas baptism's for the 1770's or in Santo Amaro. Tomorrow I'll look at the
1760's for Velas now that I know her parents married in 1753......I can't
imagine she would be that far off on her age on her marriage certificate though
but you never know and I have no other idea to investigate although having
found her parents marriage record makes finding her baptism a bit less
imperative. I'll also start looking for her father's obit since her marriage
says he was dead by 1800 and for her siblings.
This is my Mom's line and I've had much more difficulty with it than with my
Dad's. With him I had help because our Baptista line was in both Joao Simoes
Lopes Filho's and Marcio Borba's data bases and the records are in Topo for the
most part and his mothers de Castro Cardoso line is all in NEPS for Pico.
The most comforting thing about this research is that I know I'll never run out
of the need to search for someone....nice to know that as long as I can I'll
have a passion to pursue!
My best to you,Nancy Jean
Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 20:24:53 -0400
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Nancy Jean,
What is the record number for Mariana's marriage record? It should say which
freguesia/town she's from...I could take a look it if you would like.
Margaret
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 4:23 PM, nancy jean baptiste <[email protected]>
wrote:
Thank you Rosemarie and Margaret for confirming the Teixeira name. I spent time
searching for Marianna's birth with no luck....elusive ancestors! I'm happy
though because this record gives me on generation beyond what I had!
Again, thanks,Nancy Jean
Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 21:13:48 -0400
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Hi,
If I may, I would like the point out the surname is TEIXEIRA. Simply because
there are lower and upper letters interjecting with the T rendering it like the
letter P, illusive.
best,
Margaret
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:12 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:
Nancy Jane,
My first thought was that the father's name was Teixeira.
Rosemarie >
> Hi Gayle,
> Thank you for the insights. I was at such a loss to comprehend this
> record. This priest's handwriting is just awful. Your confirmation of the
> date opens up further mystery since I was looking for the marriage of my
> 4th ggrandmother, Marianna Clara's parents. On Mariana's marriage record
> in June 9, 1800 her age is given as 26 years old and I spent a whole day
> looking at all the baptisms in Velas for 1770"s and never could find
> her....so I thought maybe if I could find her parents marriage and look
> for other siblings I could find her along the way or perhaps other clues.
> I started with 1750 on a whim thinking that I'd be too far back but at
> least I wouldn't miss it by not going far enough back. I was very
> surprised to find them in 1753 but I'm sure it's them. On Marianna's
> marriage to Antonio Pereira her parents are given as Joam de Sousa
> Cardoso/a? and Isabel do Rosario and since men sometimes take their
> mother's name as well as their father's I think that's what he did. That
> puts their marriage 21 years before Marianna's presumed birth date but
> I've seen that with my Pereira family so I know it's possible. With your
> information I'm wondering if I should look in Santo Amaro for Marianna's
> birth instead of Velas....maybe they moved there and that's why I couldn't
> find her anywhere in Velas in the 1770's. Thanks for your help....now I
> know Isabel's parents names. I wish the records from these times gave the
> ages of the couple since it's a valuable clue when looking for birth
> records! Also, I couldn't tell if Joam was the son Of Joam Teixeira or
> Pereira and now Peixeiro? is in the mix. Perhaps someone else will give
> insight into that surname. I have Peixodo's in my record but I've never
> seen Peixeiro before. I'll spend tomorrow looking for Marianna in Santo
> Amaro baptisms for 1770's and hope I have more luck!
> On another note, I remember we're cousins from Candelaria and while at the
> conference in SLC I discovered 2 more cousins...sister who were there,
> also with Candelaria ancestors...perhaps they match with you as well.
> Thanks again,Nancy Jean
>
>> From: [email protected]
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
>> Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 00:15:33 +0000
>>
>> Nancy,
>>
>> I'm going to take a wild stab at the basics and let others shoot me
>> down:
>> 9 Jan 1753 for the date.
>> Joam de Sousa, son of Joam (Peixeiro ) and Luzia Cardoza, natural of
>> Sto. Amaro
>> and
>> Isabel do Rosario, daughter of Joam Machado Costa and (Micaela) do
>> Rosario of this matrix.
>>
>> Among the signatures at the end of the record it shows a Joam Machado
>> (Rocha) Costa along with Vital Pereira Fagundes.
>>
>> Gayle
>>
>> From: nancy jean baptiste
>> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
>> Reply-To: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
>> Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 14:36:00 -0500
>> To: azores group
>> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
>> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
>>
>> Greetings Group,
>>
>> I have found my 5th ggrandparents marriage record in Velas.....I'm
>> having a very hard time translating his writing and all help would be
>> greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Velas, Sao Jorge...marriages for 1734-1772 page 0102, Joam de Sousa and
>> Isabel do Rosario
>>
>> Thank you in advance,
>> Nancy Jean
>>
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