RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Record Translation Help

[pico]

Hello Diane,

I tried to respond yesterday, but my email is flaky.

When using the Minho site, you must be really careful, because there are so many errors and mistakes in judgement. But I must say the ones done personally by Norberta Amorim are the best and she did the one for Sao Mateus and Sao Joao and also wrote the book on it.

They will combine names when they see differences, such as a mother being Maria Josefa one time and Maria de Jesus another time, they combine as Maria Josefa de Jesus, even though she might never once been listed as that. I wrote before that the way I handle that is to write her name as "Maria Josefa ou Maria de Jesus" in my program.

About Surra, I've never heard of it, but it's obviously an alcunha (nickname). I haven't bothered to look up the meaning. Apparently they have seen that name listed one time, maybe at death, and if so, that's a nice piece of trivia about this person.

Good luck,

Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
Pico & Terceira Genealogist
916-550-1618

www.dholmes.com

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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Record Translation Help
From: Diane Geoge <digeorg...@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, October 31, 2013 11:10 am
To: <azores@googlegroups.com>

Hi,

 

I have two record from the NEPS database for Manuel Ferreira Surra:

 

From Madalena:

 

Manuel Ferreira    Surra   

               Born on 29 November 1733 - s mateus

               Died on 2 December 1794 - madalena

               Age at death: 61 years old

Parents

               Antonio Ferreira Garcia Azevedo  

               Ana Silveira  

Marriages and children

               Married on 14 May 1764 to  Maria Teresa   1744, with

                Ana ?   1765

               Ana ?   1767

               Maria Joaquina   1769

               Manuel ?   1772

               Francisca ?   1775

               Joao ?   1779-1779

               Rita ?   1780

               Antonio ?   1783

               Joao ?   1788-1788

 

From Sao Mateus:

 

Manuel Ferreira    Surra   

               Born on 29 November 1733

               Died

Parents

               Antonio Ferreira Garcia Azevedo  

               Ana Silveira  

Marriages and children

               Married on 14 May 1764 to  Maria Teresa   1744, with

                Ana ?   1765-1765

               Ana ?   1767

               Maria ?   1769

               Manuel ?   1772

               Francisca ?   1775

               Joao ?   1779-1779

               Rita ?   1780

               Antonio ?   1783

 

I found the two attached records for a Manuel with the same dates (I think). The problem I have is that I can’t figure out how the database entry for “Surra” was derived nor can I find any indication that “Surra” is a Portuguese surname.

 

There are other mysteries revolving around the database entries, but those are for another day. I am hoping that someone can read and translate the two records I found and offer any insights on the “Surra” name. The file names indicate the page number and database of the image on the CCA site.

 

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