John did you mean Beatriz Ferreira instead of Isabel Ferreira?
I also have been adding carefully adding these people to my data base with careful checks and noting of the sourses. Manuel Martins son of Joao Martins and Agueda Rodrigues weds on 2 Nov 1705 to Beatriz Ferreira (another Beatriz Fereira) daughter of Manuel Rodrigues and Maria Carvalho. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-C-1646-1 713/SMG-PD-GINETES-C-1646-1713_item1/P65.html Manuel Martins is the brother of Lucia Martins who married Jose de Carvalho on 6 Nov 1705 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-C-1646-1 713/SMG-PD-GINETES-C-1646-1713_item1/P75.html Jose is the son of Andre Carvalho (de Benevides) and Beatriz Ferreira. I would also suspect that these couples are in the relationship mix. The Ginetes book 1646 to 1713 is a mess. It looks like at one time some of the records were rewritten and some crossed out. There are a number of records that are out of order so one has to go carefully in searching. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Spring, TX From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Raposo Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 8:50 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Andre de Carvalho & Beatriz Ferreira Ginetes 1635-17?? Dear Rick: Until Manuel's recent clarification, I too was in a muddle. The problem is as follows: There is André Carvalho (de Benevides) married to Isabel Ferreira, whom we now know were married in Ginetes. We know the names of their fathers, but not their mothers'. Based on their stated ages on their death records, 1709 and 1710, they were born in 1613 and 1616 (which can be right on, way off or pretty close). And then there is André Martins Carvalho and Maria Carvalho, also of Ginetes. Their daughter Catarina was married in 1651 to Francisco Gonçalves Ferreira (son of Gaspar Fernandes and Maria Ferreira. They were related in the 4th degree of consanguinity. Are Catarina Carvalho and Beatriz Ferreira related? With information provided by Manuel, I need to carefully look through births and marriages of these two couples to make sure I have them assigned to the correct couples. Thanks to Manuel, I have two more male ancestors to add to my tree: António Carvalho from Ponta Delgada and Domingos Ferreira. John On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 10:12 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote: Thanks Manoel. That is helpful. It is probably going to take some real luck to go any further at this point. I think the information will be useful to others on the list. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Spring, TX From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of mances Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 8:32 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Andre de Carvalho & Beatriz Ferreira Ginetes 1635-17?? Rick, Here's the info from Dr. Ernesto do Canto: DOM: 19 march 1648 André Carvalho is the son of Antonio Carvalho from Ponta Delgada. (The record doesn´t list the mother). Beatriz Ferreira is the daughter of Domingos Ferreira. (The record doesn´t list the mother) Manoel Em quarta-feira, 12 de fevereiro de 2014 00h10min43s UTC-2, Richard Francis Pimentel escreveu: Thanks Manoel, Information was coming so fast last week on this couple I forgot what you had said. This makes them about 10 years older than I had estimated and the span of children somewhere around 30+ years. This is the marriage that was sent last week http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-C-1646-1 713/SMG-PD-GINETES-C-1646-1713_item1/P4.html top right. I think I even commented about it. Did Canto give the names of the parents? I can only close my eyes and imagine with this record. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Spring, TX -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
