Hi JR. I don't know when my Mateus and Josefa were married. That is the problem. I think you may be correct in that the marriage record is missing, because I have searched all of Ponta Garca and VFSM (knowing that Josefa was born there. I don't believe it is the one that you found.
My Josefa (Josefa da Pacheca or Pachequa) was born in Apr 1714 in VFSM (I have her birth record posted below) and died in May 1788 in VFSM (I have her death record posted below). My Matheus was born in 1705 in Ponta Garca -- I have his birth record posted below. He died in 1773 in VFSM -- I have have his birth record posted below, which states the name of his parents (Antonio da Costa and Barbara da Costa). I know that both Matheus and Josefa died before their son Joam (my 4th great grandfather) was married in July 1788. His marriage record to Luzia do Espirito Santo states that both of his parents were deceased at the time. On Mar 23, 2014, at 12:46 PM, JR <[email protected]> wrote: > I am getting confused. No doubt, this is Matheus son of someone named Costa. > However there are others, not to mention that Mateus may fetch his name from > a grandparent with the name Costa. > > Do I have this right, is your Mateus and Josefa married circa 1750? If so, > this Matheus of 1705 is not likely your ancestor. There are about four to six > marriages missing in Ponta Garca, all circa 1745-1751, more or less. There is > no doubt they are missing because other records specify that these people > were married in PG. They include mine and some of Cheri Melo and Shirley A. I > think your missing ancestors may be among the missing marriages. On the other > hand, I reread the baptism of Andre and notice that Josefa is native of VFSM, > so that makes it likely they married in her vila of VFSM. By the way, Canto > is name that is hard to come by. There are only a few that I know of. Most > turn out to be Couto. > > This is what I have. There may be some errors, as they were very difficult to > read with a small reader at the LDS. But they can be easily fixed now. Here > are children of said couple: > > > > Descendants of Matheus da Costa > > > > > > Generation No. 1 > > > > 1. MATHEUS DA1 COSTA was born Abt. 1725 in Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade, and > died Bef. 21 May 1777. He married JOSEFA PACHECOAbt. 1750. She was born > Abt. 1725 in Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade. > > > > More About JOSEFA PACHECO: > > Date born 2: Abt. 1725, Vila Franca, Matriz > > > > Children of MATHEUS COSTA and JOSEFA PACHECO are: > > i. ANTONIA FRANCISCA DOS ANJOS2, b. Ponta Garca- NS da > Piedade; m. ANDRE DA CAMARA PACHECO, 22 May 1777, Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade; > b. Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade; d. Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade. > > ii. ANTONIO DA COSTA DE ARAUJO, b. Ponta Garca- NS da > Piedade; m. MARGARIDA FRANCISCA, 20 Jun 1779, Vila Franca do Campo- Matriz; > b. Vila Franca do Campo- Matriz. > > iii. JACINTA DO ESPIRITO SANTO, b. Vila Franca, Matriz; > m. JOSE PACHECO CAMILHO, 21 Mar 1776, Vila Franca, Matriz; b. 25 Mar 1738, > Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade; d. Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade. > > > > More About JOSE PACHECO CAMILHO: > > Baptised: 01 Apr 1738, Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade > > > > > > > On Saturday, March 22, 2014 11:09:36 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: > Here is the marriage record from May 1701 of Matheus' parents, Antonio da > Costa and Barbara da Costa: > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1675-1749/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1675-1749_item1/P41.html > > > I got their names from Matheus' birth record in 1705, which I posted > previously. > > > On Mar 22, 2014, at 9:24 PM, JR <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Maybe I missed something, but how did you determine the parents of Mateus > > da Costa? Do you have the marriage and notice of the parents? > > > > JR > > > > On Saturday, March 22, 2014 9:06:59 PM UTC-4, JR wrote: > > Are you looking for the marriage of Mateus and Josefa? If so, according to > > my records they married circa 1750, in either Ponta Garca or VFSM. I have > > three children listed for this couple living in Ponta Garca. > > > > JR > > > > On Saturday, March 22, 2014 3:47:21 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: > > In addition to not being able to find Joam's birth record, I'm having great > > difficulty locating the marriage record of Matheus da Costa and Josefa da > > Pacheca. > > > > Josefa was born in 1714 at Matriz: > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1710-1718/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1710-1718_item1/P70.html > > > > > > > > Here is her death record from 1788: > > > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1780-1806/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1780-1806_item1/P84.html > > > > > > > > On Mar 22, 2014, at 3:41 PM, Joseph Costa <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > SInce I posted this, I have done further research. My ancestor is > > > definitely Matheus da Costa and his wife was definitely Jozefa de > > > Pacheca. > > > > > > Here is Matheus" birth record from Sep 16, 1705 at Ponta Garca: > > > > > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1703-1720/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1703-1720_item1/P29.html > > > > > > > > > Here is his death record from Matriz in 1773: > > > > > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1749-1780/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1749-1780_item1/P152.html > > > > > > > > > Also, here is the birth record of his son Andre (Joam's brother) in 1753: > > > > > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P72.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 22, 2014, at 3:07 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > > > > >> Joseph, > > >> > > >> How about the fact the baptism is for a child of Matias and the mother > > >> is not listed with Pacheco/a? > > >> I have sometimes seen a father listed as Mathias one time and Matheus > > >> another time. So if your ancestor was Mateus, you can't 100% rule out > > >> you could find him as Matias, but it will depend on further research. > > >> > > >> Do you think this is simply the wrong ancestors and not a sibling of > > >> your Joao da Costa? > > >> I assume you know Joam and Joao are the same name. > > >> > > >> Doug da Rocha Holmes > > >> Sacramento, California > > >> Pico & Terceira Genealogist > > >> 916-550-1618 > > >> www.dholmes.com > > >> > > >> > > >> -------- Original Message -------- > > >> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record > > >> -- can't really read it) Help! > > >> From: Joseph Costa <[email protected]> > > >> Date: Sat, March 22, 2014 10:16 am > > >> To: [email protected] > > >> > > >> Thank you Doug. I do see what you mean, and I now think that this does > > >> say Niculao, which means that this is not my ancestor. Still can't find > > >> my Joam..... > > >> > > >> > > >>> On Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:45:13 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: > > >>> I think I may have found my 4th great grandfather's, Joam da Costa's, > > >>> birth record, but I'm not sure. Per my previous post, he is the son of > > >>> Matheus da Costa and Jozefa Pacheco (also appears as Pachequa or > > >>> Pacheca). Can anyone read this. In the link below, it's on the > > >>> right-hand page in the lower right corner. Looks like this is from Sept > > >>> 1751? I need help verifying that these are in fact the names of the > > >>> parents on this record. What about grandparents' names? 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