Hi Maria , so good to see you are still working on the family, long time since you sent me the Water Lily passenger list , take care Best Wishes Chris
On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 2:52:59 PM UTC+11, Maria wrote: > Wow! I am amazed to learn my husbands gr gr grandfather went in the Water > Lily as part of an EXPEDITION to Australia. I always wondered how he and > his 2 sons and his brother in law and many other azoreans left the Azores > to go to the Goldfields. I wondered how all that came about because it had > to cost big bucks to be outfitted to go to the goldfields in Australia. > How can I get more information? > > For years I've researched Antonio Jose de Lima and his two sons who were > on that ship, the Water Lily. The sons names were Jacinto Jose de Lima > and Jose Jacinto de Lima. Antonio's friend named Jacinto Jose Borges was > also on the ship. He was the godfather to the two sons of Antonio and was > actually his brother in law (married Antonio's wife's sister, Francisca. > > I searched the Creswick and Clunes Register in Australia and found the 2 > "boys" listed many times mostly for court cases. I searched for the names > JJ DE LIMA. There they were. The minors took each other to court for > anything little thing. I sent away to Public Records Office Victoria and > received copies of each article where they were mentioned. This gave me a > lot of insight into their lives, comings and goings. I received a lot of > help from people on the Rootsweb Goldfields List. > > I learned the Two sons became partners in the Humbug Hill Sluicing Company > there in Victoria. One of them (Jacinto) married an English girl named > Charlotte Staley but she died within 10 months of the marriage. I > received a photo of her grave stone where his name is mentioned. > Charlotte owned a fruit store there on Albert Street and I have an > advertisement where Jacinto was selling the store and their furnishings > from their upstairs apartment after she died because he was returning to > the Azores. > > According to our family stories, they did make money and I believe they > became property owners there in Ponta Delgada. After Jacinto returned to > the Azores, he married his cousin/niece, Maria Adelaide Da Silva but then > HE DIED WITHIN 3 months of that marriage. He sired a son who was given > the exact name as his father. Fast forward many years later when I was > cleaning out my mother in law's house upon her death- and I found a 32 page > autobiography of Jacinto (the son) where he described his disappointment > in that his father died and he was not introduced to society as might have > been had he lived. His mother remarried a man whom he abhorred and > wouldn't mention it and according to family story, the stepfather > squandered the money. He was also very hurt that his mother sold all the > properties that were his inheritance. > > I have photos of the mother and her sisters and one could see from their > clothing and hair styles and jewelry that they had some wealth. > > I've wondered many times about how they were able to go to Australia and > set up business and become part owners in the Sluicing company. One of the > articles does mentions a Jacinto Dos Reis. > > I would like to know more about how the expedition came about; how it was > financed. They travelled to Australia as "Unassisted" passengers, meaning > they paid their own passage. > > Thank you for posting about the expedition and the ship and the names. > Any information would be so welcomed. > > Maria Elena > > On Oct 25, 2014, at 11:29 PM, Robyn Horan <[email protected] <javascript:>> > wrote: > > Hi JR > > Some time ago Eliseu Manuel Pacheco da Silva posted this - > > List of Azorean participants in an expedition to New Holland (Australia) > to look for Gold. > > They left S. Miguel in 28 July 1853 aboard the English boat “Water Lily”. > The trip took 108 days. They arrived on the 13th November. The expedition > landed in Geelong, main port of Por-Philip, a town as big as Ponta Delgada > in the 19th century. Then they took a ship to Melbourn and from there they > went to Fores Crick mines. > > The adventure was not profitable for them. The investors had a very big > loss. > > João de Sousa Dourado, from Ponta Graça, was one of the feww who profited > from. For a long period of time he received interest on the money he > invested there. > > Jacinto António dos Reis married there and succeded in Melbourn. They were > a well knownand very considered family there. > > Commander and ship owner was Mr. John Busk (he had his wife and little > daughter on board). > > Crew members: > > - William Percey Notprued Luck - Squire Midshipman, son of an > English millionaire > > > - 2 pilots, one English, another American, a master Cook and 7 > sailors > > Passengers were: > > From Faial da Terra: > > - Joaquim Pereira > > - Francisco Pereira > > - João de Freitas > > - José de Freitas > > - José Raposo Cipriano > > - José Nogueira > > From Povoação: > > - Manuel Carreiro > > From Ponta Garça: > > - Jacinto Carreiro (sailor) > > - João de Sousa (sailor) > > - Francisco Estrela > > - José de Sousa Dourado (It appears to be the only one who did > well in the expedition) > > From Ribeira das Taínhas: > > - André > > - Miguel Furtado > > From Ribeira Seca , Vila Franca do Campo: > > - Francisco de Andrade > > - Manuel Furtado > > - António Furtado > > - José Furtado > > - Manuel de Amaral > > From Vila Franca do Campo: > > - José Furtado > > - António de Hilário > > - mestre Mariano de Sousa (nickname: batata), (today the word > mestre is used to designate a man who is a knower of his art; also means a > mason) > > - mestre José de Oliveira > > - António de Sales > > - mestre João da Estrela > > - João Correia > > From Água d’Alto: > > - mestre Felício Botelho > > - Francisco Botelho (nickname: pataca) > > - Francisco Furtado > > From Porto Formoso: > > - Manuel Bento > > From Ponta Delgada: > > - João Gomes, mestre canteiro (mason who worked/carving the > stone) > > - Manuel José (nickname:bispo) > > - mestre Manuel Dias > > - António de Freitas > > - António José de Lima > > - José de Lima > > From Capelas: > > - Manuel Raposo > > From S. Vicente: > > - Inácio de Viveiros > > - Nicolau da Câmara > > - Manuel Vicente > > From Arrifes: > > - Bento Ferreira > > - José da Câmara > > From S. Jorge : > > > - Manuel de Amarante > > From Lagoa: > > > - João José Tavares > > - Francisco José Tavares > > - António José Tavares > > - FrancIsco Inácio Botelho Âmbar > > Passengers who have paid the ticket: (Because of the names, I can say some > of them belonged to the whealthy/noble families of Ponta Delgada) > > - João Francisco Gomes, (brother of the expedition doctor) > > - Jose Manuel Gomes, expedition doctor > > - Jacinto António dos Reis > > - João Lourenço > > - Simplício Gago da Câmara > > - Diniz Gago da Câmara (brother of the above, partner in the > investment with his brother ) > > - José de Arruda Botelho > > - Nicolau de Arruda > > - António Borges da Câmara Medeiros > > - Victorino Augusto Soares > > - João Jacinto Borges > > - Jacinto José de Lima, > > - J. Girard, french, interpreter > > - Frederico or Henrique José de Sampaio, bookeeper, clerck . > > 4 women were amongst the passengers but no names… > > Cheers > > Robyn > > On 26 October 2014 15:05, A Faria <[email protected] <javascript:>> > wrote: > >> Hi JR, >> >> There was no mass migration from the Azores to Australia although a few >> Whalers jumped ship in the 1800's and I believe some Azorean immigrants to >> Hawaii moved to Australia.. Mass migration from the >> >> Azores I am only aware of Brazil, United States, Hawaii before it became >> a state in 1959, Canada and Bermuda. >> >> I think some of the Portuguese immigrants to Australia were Madeiran >> immigrants that moved from South Africa but Madeira is a separate island >> chain. >> >> A.Faria >> >> -- >> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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