Hi Maria, so pleased to hear from you . Im still looking for my Francisco, I wish he would appear on a ship. This would really make a great movie Best Wishes take care my friend Chris
On Wednesday, October 29, 2014 2:00:46 AM UTC+11, Maria wrote: > Chris- yr email made me smile- yes we still searching and isn't it > amazing- all of a sudden there's more answers jeep coming. From Eliseu's > email I learned it was an expedition! I have to look at the names I've > found since I was searching the de lima's because I since have found > Furtado's and that name is on the list. Also need to go to newspaper > articles and see what it says about Antonio dosReis because he's linked in > with the2 JJ DE LIMA's. This us the stuff for a big movie like the old > movie Hawaii- or Roots!! > > Take care my friend and kindred in Australia:) > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 28, 2014, at 4:05 AM, "'cmurray56' via Azores Genealogy" < > [email protected] <javascript:>> wrote: > > > Hi Maria , so good to see you are still working on the family, long > time since you sent me the Water Lily passenger list , take care > Best Wishes > Chris > > > On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 2:52:59 PM UTC+11, Maria wrote: > >> Wow! I am amazed to learn my husbands gr gr grandfather went in the >> Water Lily as part of an EXPEDITION to Australia. I always wondered how >> he and his 2 sons and his brother in law and many other azoreans left the >> Azores to go to the Goldfields. I wondered how all that came about because >> it had to cost big bucks to be outfitted to go to the goldfields in >> Australia. How can I get more information? >> >> For years I've researched Antonio Jose de Lima and his two sons who were >> on that ship, the Water Lily. The sons names were Jacinto Jose de Lima >> and Jose Jacinto de Lima. Antonio's friend named Jacinto Jose Borges was >> also on the ship. He was the godfather to the two sons of Antonio and was >> actually his brother in law (married Antonio's wife's sister, Francisca. >> >> I searched the Creswick and Clunes Register in Australia and found the 2 >> "boys" listed many times mostly for court cases. I searched for the names >> JJ DE LIMA. There they were. The minors took each other to court for >> anything little thing. I sent away to Public Records Office Victoria and >> received copies of each article where they were mentioned. This gave me a >> lot of insight into their lives, comings and goings. I received a lot of >> help from people on the Rootsweb Goldfields List. >> >> I learned the Two sons became partners in the Humbug Hill Sluicing >> Company there in Victoria. One of them (Jacinto) married an English girl >> named Charlotte Staley but she died within 10 months of the marriage. I >> received a photo of her grave stone where his name is mentioned. >> Charlotte owned a fruit store there on Albert Street and I have an >> advertisement where Jacinto was selling the store and their furnishings >> from their upstairs apartment after she died because he was returning to >> the Azores. >> >> According to our family stories, they did make money and I believe they >> became property owners there in Ponta Delgada. After Jacinto returned to >> the Azores, he married his cousin/niece, Maria Adelaide Da Silva but then >> HE DIED WITHIN 3 months of that marriage. He sired a son who was given >> the exact name as his father. Fast forward many years later when I was >> cleaning out my mother in law's house upon her death- and I found a 32 page >> autobiography of Jacinto (the son) where he described his disappointment >> in that his father died and he was not introduced to society as might have >> been had he lived. His mother remarried a man whom he abhorred and >> wouldn't mention it and according to family story, the stepfather >> squandered the money. He was also very hurt that his mother sold all the >> properties that were his inheritance. >> >> I have photos of the mother and her sisters and one could see from their >> clothing and hair styles and jewelry that they had some wealth. >> >> I've wondered many times about how they were able to go to Australia and >> set up business and become part owners in the Sluicing company. One of the >> articles does mentions a Jacinto Dos Reis. >> >> I would like to know more about how the expedition came about; how it was >> financed. They travelled to Australia as "Unassisted" passengers, meaning >> they paid their own passage. >> >> Thank you for posting about the expedition and the ship and the names. >> Any information would be so welcomed. >> >> Maria Elena >> >> On Oct 25, 2014, at 11:29 PM, Robyn Horan <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi JR >> >> Some time ago Eliseu Manuel Pacheco da Silva posted this - >> >> List of Azorean participants in an expedition to New Holland (Australia) >> to look for Gold. >> >> They left S. Miguel in 28 July 1853 aboard the English boat “Water Lily”. >> The trip took 108 days. They arrived on the 13th November. The expedition >> landed in Geelong, main port of Por-Philip, a town as big as Ponta Delgada >> in the 19th century. Then they took a ship to Melbourn and from there they >> went to Fores Crick mines. >> >> The adventure was not profitable for them. The investors had a very big >> loss. >> >> João de Sousa Dourado, from Ponta Graça, was one of the feww who profited >> from. For a long period of time he received interest on the money he >> invested there. >> >> Jacinto António dos Reis married there and succeded in Melbourn. They >> were a well knownand very considered family there. >> >> Commander and ship owner was Mr. John Busk (he had his wife and little >> daughter on board). >> >> Crew members: >> >> - William Percey Notprued Luck - Squire Midshipman, son of an >> English millionaire >> >> >> - 2 pilots, one English, another American, a master Cook and 7 >> sailors >> >> Passengers were: >> >> From Faial da Terra: >> >> - Joaquim Pereira >> >> - Francisco Pereira >> >> - João de Freitas >> >> - José de Freitas >> >> - José Raposo Cipriano >> >> - José Nogueira >> >> From Povoação: >> >> - Manuel Carreiro >> >> From Ponta Garça: >> >> - Jacinto Carreiro (sailor) >> >> - João de Sousa (sailor) >> >> - Francisco Estrela >> >> - José de Sousa Dourado (It appears to be the only one who did >> well in the expedition) >> >> From Ribeira das Taínhas: >> >> - André >> >> - Miguel Furtado >> >> From Ribeira Seca , Vila Franca do Campo: >> >> - Francisco de Andrade >> >> - Manuel Furtado >> >> - António Furtado >> >> - José Furtado >> >> - Manuel de Amaral >> >> From Vila Franca do Campo: >> >> - José Furtado >> >> - António de Hilário >> >> - mestre Mariano de Sousa (nickname: batata), (today the word >> mestre is used to designate a man who is a knower of his art; also means a >> mason) >> >> - mestre José de Oliveira >> >> - António de Sales >> >> - mestre João da Estrela >> >> - João Correia >> >> From Água d’Alto: >> >> - mestre Felício Botelho >> >> - Francisco Botelho (nickname: pataca) >> >> - Francisco Furtado >> >> From Porto Formoso: >> >> - Manuel Bento >> >> From Ponta Delgada: >> >> - João Gomes, mestre canteiro (mason who worked/carving the >> stone) >> >> - Manuel José (nickname:bispo) >> >> - mestre Manuel Dias >> >> - António de Freitas >> >> - António José de Lima >> >> - José de Lima >> >> From Capelas: >> >> - Manuel Raposo >> >> From S. Vicente: >> >> - Inácio de Viveiros >> >> - Nicolau da Câmara >> >> - Manuel Vicente >> >> From Arrifes: >> >> - Bento Ferreira >> >> - José da Câmara >> >> From S. Jorge : >> >> >> - Manuel de Amarante >> >> From Lagoa: >> >> >> - João José Tavares >> >> - Francisco José Tavares >> >> - António José Tavares >> >> - FrancIsco Inácio Botelho Âmbar >> >> Passengers who have paid the ticket: (Because of the names, I can say >> some of them belonged to the whealthy/noble families of Ponta Delgada) >> >> - João Francisco Gomes, (brother of the expedition doctor) >> >> - Jose Manuel Gomes, expedition doctor >> >> - Jacinto António dos Reis >> >> - João Lourenço >> >> - Simplício Gago da Câmara >> >> - Diniz Gago da Câmara (brother of the above, partner in the >> investment with his brother ) >> >> - José de Arruda Botelho >> >> - Nicolau de Arruda >> >> - António Borges da Câmara Medeiros >> >> - Victorino Augusto Soares >> >> - João Jacinto Borges >> >> - Jacinto José de Lima, >> >> - J. Girard, french, interpreter >> >> - Frederico or Henrique José de Sampaio, bookeeper, clerck . >> >> 4 women were amongst the passengers but no names… >> >> Cheers >> >> Robyn >> >> On 26 October 2014 15:05, A Faria <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi JR, >>> >>> There was no mass migration from the Azores to Australia although a few >>> Whalers jumped ship in the 1800's and I believe some Azorean immigrants to >>> Hawaii moved to Australia.. Mass migration from the >>> >>> Azores I am only aware of Brazil, United States, Hawaii before it became >>> a state in 1959, Canada and Bermuda. >>> >>> I think some of the Portuguese immigrants to Australia were Madeiran >>> immigrants that moved from South Africa but Madeira is a separate island >>> chain. >>> >>> A.Faria >>> >>> -- >>> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >>> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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