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I decided to look for marriage and found this. The last name is Carvalho which is not close to Roberts. But the wife's name Rosa matches, her father is listed in her death certificate as Frank Lima which also matches. Her daughter is listed twice in the 1900 US (Clementina Lansfield married name) census once as living with her parents, a few days later as a lodger with Frank da Costa Lima (too young to be the grandfather but could be mother's brother or cousin) (da Costa was confirmed through other California records... Thanks! On Tuesday, August 4, 2015 at 8:49:48 PM UTC-7, Andrea R wrote: > > HI Cheri - I appreciate your help. > > I am attaching the document she found from Sacramento confirming what my > information from census and family said, he was a cabinet maker, married to > Rosa. > > I am also attaching his death certificate which I had a really hard time > reading. > > From his death certificate that I obtained from Sacramento, his death is > confirmed as 7 July 1905. His birthday (from death certificate filled by > his daughter) was 8 June 1848 but his headstone says 1850. So I found a > Jose that was born in 8 June 1850 in Terceira, Angra, Conceicao. But I am > also wondering if it is the right one. It was the only Jose born on that > day and in that place. > > Then I got another email from this lady who said do not trust the dates > because they were notoriously wrong by days and even years. I have been > researching my relatives in Scotland and their records are all pretty > accurate and very detailed. I guess I just assumed these would be too. > But I did see a red flag that there was no "Joaquim" (his name was Jose > Joaquim) or that the name was not close to Roberts. I have heard of > immigrants completely changing their name but that was not close. > > The records from those years from Terceira are hard to read but I can keep > looking for something closer. > > Thanks! > > On Tuesday, August 4, 2015 at 2:41:20 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote: >> >> I don't understand. You are researching for a Roberts and suddenly you >> come up with a Moraes? How does that happen? >> >> What do you mean "someone" found your ancestor born in Conceicao? Did >> they point you do that specific baptism? Did they close their eyes and pick >> a Jose? Why do you think 8 June 1850? >> >> When I signed up for a basic genealogy course many years ago, we were >> taught "Who said it, when did they say it, and how did they know?" Those 3 >> things. >> >> I don't want you going down the wrong path here. I don't remember every >> detail and it wasn't stated here, but I don't remember the surname Moraes >> in connection with Roberts. >> >> Cheri >> >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das >> Tainhas, Achada >> >> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 12:23 PM, Andrea R <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I was very fortunate to find someone who was able to locate a document >>> that said that Joseph Roberts was born in Terceira, Angra, Conceicao. >>> >>> I found the following baptism with the correct date of birth 8 Jun 1850 >>> and I am hoping it is him. >>> >>> >>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-CONCEICAO-B-1846-1855/TER-AH-CONCEICAO-B-1846-1855_item1/P98.html >>> >>> He is in the bottom left as Jose, filho legitimo de Bartholomeu >>> Moarez? I have heard Moraes but not Moarez then next is profession? Jose >>> was a cabinet maker but I don't think this says Carpinteiro, Lanterneiro? >>> >>> he was baptized na Paroquia Matriz de Santa Cruz da Ilha Graciosa, >>> >>> mae Francisca ____________? batizada na Paroquia de Sao Pedro em Angra >>> >>> neto de Manoel Jose da __________? e Antonia Roza (paternal grandparents) >>> >>> neto de Jose Caetano____________? e Ritta Cand__________? >>> >>> Any help deciphering would be much appreciated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is a >>> huge breakthrough!!!! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >>> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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