Yes, 19 Feb 1846. First wife buried in Praia do Norte. No, usually, marriages on widows and widowers do not list their parents. They list the name of the deceased spouse. You have to go to the previous marriage to get the parents.
Cheri Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 3:44 PM, Sean Andrade <[email protected]> wrote: > So I found this record top right: > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1829-1847/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1829-1847_item1/P111.html > > It says Francisco Leal is the widow of Maria Felicia. And this second > marriage is 1846. > > It doesn't look like it has his parents and I think it says he is from > Praia do Norte. > > > On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 3:07:34 PM UTC-7, Sean Andrade wrote: >> >> Thanks. I will try that. >> >> On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 2:39:19 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote: >>> >>> I've never seen a death record mention both wives. I've only seen it >>> mention the marriage to the current wife. So I'd be looking for her. >>> >>> Since NEPS says he died in Cedros and gives a date, I went to the CCA >>> and found this (Upper left): >>> >>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1845-1860/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1845-1860_item1/P88.html >>> >>> It says he was married to Maria Tomasia. >>> >>> You need to figure out if this Francisco Leal da Costa is yours and if >>> he was indeed married twice. >>> >>> My strategy: See if you can find the marriage of your FLdC & wife 2. >>> That would state Franco is a widower. If you can't find it, I'd stay in >>> Praia do Norte, collect ALL the kids of your FLdC & wife Maria Felecia. If >>> you wind up having your Franco. & wife 1 having kids while Franco. & wife 2 >>> are having kids, you probably have 2 different Francos. And if that overlap >>> doesn't happen, then find all the marriages of the kids of Franco & Ma. >>> Felicia. One of the marriages may say that Franco is alive but mom is dead. >>> That's a good clue that your Franco went over and married wife 2. >>> >>> Cheri >>> >>> Cheri Mello >>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das >>> Tainhas, Achada >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Sean Andrade <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> My ancestor, their child, was not listed on that page, Inacia Luisa, >>>> who died in 1871, and the death record lists them as the parents and says >>>> Francisco Leal is from Castelo Branco. >>>> >>>> I found the marriage record for Francisco and Maria Felicia in Capelo. >>>> >>>> It does say that Francisco was born in Castelo Branco and lists his >>>> parents which helped me find his Birth record in Castelo Branco. >>>> >>>> Maria Felicia died in Praia do Norte and when she died in 1844 it >>>> stated she was still married to Francisco which means he was still alive. A >>>> lot of my ancestors had been born and married in Capelo but died in Praia >>>> do Norte because I believe that section of Capelo officially became Praia >>>> do Norte. >>>> >>>> I searched the death records several times in Praia do Norte for >>>> Francisco Leal, but I couldn't find anything. I went on NEPS to see if >>>> maybe he was in another town and came across that page. I haven't checked >>>> Castelo Branco or Capelo yet, but if I don't find him in either of those I >>>> figure I may as well check Cedros and see if I can find him there. >>>> >>>> If I find the correct death record in Cedros would they make mention of >>>> him being a widow if he remarried? >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 12:52:40 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Sean, >>>>> >>>>> I'm going to assume that the typo in 1944 should be 1844. Or I hope. >>>>> >>>>> The NEPS site has wrong information on this family. They have probably >>>>> blended 2 different people of the same name. >>>>> >>>>> 1784 Francisco Leal da Costa born >>>>> 1788 Maria Felicia de Jesus born >>>>> 1808 Francisco & Maria marry >>>>> 1809 Francisco's 2nd wife, Maria Tomasia is born >>>>> 1821 or later, daughter of Francisco and MARIA FELICIA, Ana Maria >>>>> Pereira is born >>>>> 1831 son of Francisco and MARIA FELICIA, Antonio Leal da Costa marries >>>>> (Francisco would be way older than sister Ana Maria born 1821 or later) >>>>> 1840s son of Francisco and MARIA FELICIA, Jose Leal da Costa marries >>>>> (guess based on his kids' birth). Also, this Jose would be around the age >>>>> of Ana Maria, I would think). >>>>> 1844 MARIA FELICIA dies >>>>> 1846 son of Francisco and MARIA TOMASIA is born >>>>> >>>>> When you put events in your genealogy program, you can see a timeline >>>>> for events. You'll be able to see gaps or mistakes. >>>>> >>>>> I see that there are not enough kids for Francisco & Maria Felicia. >>>>> They marry in 1808 and they think a kid is born in 1821 or later? Where >>>>> are >>>>> all the kids? The NEPS site may not have recorded the babies that did not >>>>> reach adulthood. Also, if it is the same Francisco, he married a woman the >>>>> age of his kids. >>>>> >>>>> There are 3 different locations that Francisco Leal da Costa is in. It >>>>> seems like too much moving around. It's covering almost half the island of >>>>> Faial. >>>>> >>>>> I would use caution with the information from NEPS on this family. Go >>>>> back to the actual records and try to verify everything. Work with what >>>>> you >>>>> know going BACK in time. Stay in one freguesia until you can find no more >>>>> or until a records states a different freguesia. >>>>> >>>>> Cheri >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Cheri Mello >>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das >>>>> Tainhas, Achada >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 11:13 AM, Sean Andrade <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks. His first wife died in 1944 in Praia do Norte. It doesn't say >>>>>> when his second marriage was so I don't know if this happened while he >>>>>> was >>>>>> still married. >>>>>> >>>>>> It looks like he moved to Cedros after his first wife's death, but I >>>>>> wonder when the son had been born. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 11:01:07 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The existance of the 2nd marriage of Francisco with Maria Tomasia >>>>>>> was known after the birth of son Jose. >>>>>>> Francisco received his Divine Sacraments and was accompanied by the >>>>>>> College (?) to his grave (maybe that's something like the Knights of >>>>>>> Columbus that we have now?) >>>>>>> He died with about 74 years of age and not 70, as the priest >>>>>>> referred to. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A native speaker will make a better translation. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Make sure Fransisco's first wife is indeed dead, otherwise, you've >>>>>>> got 2 Francisco's running around. And there are probably more kids that >>>>>>> they did not pick up. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheri >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheri Mello >>>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>>>>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das >>>>>>> Tainhas, Achada >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Sean Andrade <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I was searching through uminho and came across this for Francisco >>>>>>>> Leal da Costa: >>>>>>>> http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=CEDROS&lang=pt&m=NG&n=Francisco+Leal+da+Costa&t=PN >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There is a notes section on the bottom that I tried to translate, >>>>>>>> but I don't understand what it means. Here it is: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Notas >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - NOTA: A existência do 2º.casamento do Francisco com a Maria >>>>>>>> Tomásia, só foi >>>>>>>> conhecido através do registo de nascimento (baptismo) do filho >>>>>>>> José. >>>>>>>> O Francisco recebeu todos os "divinos sacramentos" e foi >>>>>>>> acompanhado pelo >>>>>>>> Colégio à sepultura. >>>>>>>> Faleceu com cerca de 74 anos de idade e não 70 anos, como >>>>>>>> refere o padre. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >>>>>>>> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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