Thanks. I will try that. On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 2:39:19 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote: > > I've never seen a death record mention both wives. I've only seen it > mention the marriage to the current wife. So I'd be looking for her. > > Since NEPS says he died in Cedros and gives a date, I went to the CCA and > found this (Upper left): > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1845-1860/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1845-1860_item1/P88.html > > It says he was married to Maria Tomasia. > > You need to figure out if this Francisco Leal da Costa is yours and if he > was indeed married twice. > > My strategy: See if you can find the marriage of your FLdC & wife 2. That > would state Franco is a widower. If you can't find it, I'd stay in Praia > do Norte, collect ALL the kids of your FLdC & wife Maria Felecia. If you > wind up having your Franco. & wife 1 having kids while Franco. & wife 2 are > having kids, you probably have 2 different Francos. And if that overlap > doesn't happen, then find all the marriages of the kids of Franco & Ma. > Felicia. One of the marriages may say that Franco is alive but mom is dead. > That's a good clue that your Franco went over and married wife 2. > > Cheri > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das > Tainhas, Achada > > On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Sean Andrade <[email protected] > <javascript:>> wrote: > >> Thanks. >> >> My ancestor, their child, was not listed on that page, Inacia Luisa, who >> died in 1871, and the death record lists them as the parents and says >> Francisco Leal is from Castelo Branco. >> >> I found the marriage record for Francisco and Maria Felicia in Capelo. >> >> It does say that Francisco was born in Castelo Branco and lists his >> parents which helped me find his Birth record in Castelo Branco. >> >> Maria Felicia died in Praia do Norte and when she died in 1844 it stated >> she was still married to Francisco which means he was still alive. A lot of >> my ancestors had been born and married in Capelo but died in Praia do Norte >> because I believe that section of Capelo officially became Praia do Norte. >> >> I searched the death records several times in Praia do Norte for >> Francisco Leal, but I couldn't find anything. I went on NEPS to see if >> maybe he was in another town and came across that page. I haven't checked >> Castelo Branco or Capelo yet, but if I don't find him in either of those I >> figure I may as well check Cedros and see if I can find him there. >> >> If I find the correct death record in Cedros would they make mention of >> him being a widow if he remarried? >> >> On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 12:52:40 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote: >>> >>> Sean, >>> >>> I'm going to assume that the typo in 1944 should be 1844. Or I hope. >>> >>> The NEPS site has wrong information on this family. They have probably >>> blended 2 different people of the same name. >>> >>> 1784 Francisco Leal da Costa born >>> 1788 Maria Felicia de Jesus born >>> 1808 Francisco & Maria marry >>> 1809 Francisco's 2nd wife, Maria Tomasia is born >>> 1821 or later, daughter of Francisco and MARIA FELICIA, Ana Maria >>> Pereira is born >>> 1831 son of Francisco and MARIA FELICIA, Antonio Leal da Costa marries >>> (Francisco would be way older than sister Ana Maria born 1821 or later) >>> 1840s son of Francisco and MARIA FELICIA, Jose Leal da Costa marries >>> (guess based on his kids' birth). Also, this Jose would be around the age >>> of Ana Maria, I would think). >>> 1844 MARIA FELICIA dies >>> 1846 son of Francisco and MARIA TOMASIA is born >>> >>> When you put events in your genealogy program, you can see a timeline >>> for events. You'll be able to see gaps or mistakes. >>> >>> I see that there are not enough kids for Francisco & Maria Felicia. They >>> marry in 1808 and they think a kid is born in 1821 or later? Where are all >>> the kids? The NEPS site may not have recorded the babies that did not reach >>> adulthood. Also, if it is the same Francisco, he married a woman the age of >>> his kids. >>> >>> There are 3 different locations that Francisco Leal da Costa is in. It >>> seems like too much moving around. It's covering almost half the island of >>> Faial. >>> >>> I would use caution with the information from NEPS on this family. Go >>> back to the actual records and try to verify everything. Work with what you >>> know going BACK in time. Stay in one freguesia until you can find no more >>> or until a records states a different freguesia. >>> >>> Cheri >>> >>> >>> Cheri Mello >>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das >>> Tainhas, Achada >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 11:13 AM, Sean Andrade <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks. His first wife died in 1944 in Praia do Norte. It doesn't say >>>> when his second marriage was so I don't know if this happened while he was >>>> still married. >>>> >>>> It looks like he moved to Cedros after his first wife's death, but I >>>> wonder when the son had been born. >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 11:01:07 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The existance of the 2nd marriage of Francisco with Maria Tomasia was >>>>> known after the birth of son Jose. >>>>> Francisco received his Divine Sacraments and was accompanied by the >>>>> College (?) to his grave (maybe that's something like the Knights of >>>>> Columbus that we have now?) >>>>> He died with about 74 years of age and not 70, as the priest referred >>>>> to. >>>>> >>>>> A native speaker will make a better translation. >>>>> >>>>> Make sure Fransisco's first wife is indeed dead, otherwise, you've got >>>>> 2 Francisco's running around. And there are probably more kids that they >>>>> did not pick up. >>>>> >>>>> Cheri >>>>> >>>>> Cheri Mello >>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das >>>>> Tainhas, Achada >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Sean Andrade <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> I was searching through uminho and came across this for Francisco >>>>>> Leal da Costa: >>>>>> http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=CEDROS&lang=pt&m=NG&n=Francisco+Leal+da+Costa&t=PN >>>>>> >>>>>> There is a notes section on the bottom that I tried to translate, but >>>>>> I don't understand what it means. Here it is: >>>>>> >>>>>> Notas >>>>>> >>>>>> - NOTA: A existência do 2º.casamento do Francisco com a Maria >>>>>> Tomásia, só foi >>>>>> conhecido através do registo de nascimento (baptismo) do filho >>>>>> José. >>>>>> O Francisco recebeu todos os "divinos sacramentos" e foi >>>>>> acompanhado pelo >>>>>> Colégio à sepultura. >>>>>> Faleceu com cerca de 74 anos de idade e não 70 anos, como refere >>>>>> o padre. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >>>>>> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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