So I found this record top right: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1829-1847/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1829-1847_item1/P111.html
It says Francisco Leal is the widow of Maria Felicia. And this second marriage is 1846. It doesn't look like it has his parents and I think it says he is from Praia do Norte. On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 3:07:34 PM UTC-7, Sean Andrade wrote: > > Thanks. I will try that. > > On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 2:39:19 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote: >> >> I've never seen a death record mention both wives. I've only seen it >> mention the marriage to the current wife. So I'd be looking for her. >> >> Since NEPS says he died in Cedros and gives a date, I went to the CCA and >> found this (Upper left): >> >> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1845-1860/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1845-1860_item1/P88.html >> >> It says he was married to Maria Tomasia. >> >> You need to figure out if this Francisco Leal da Costa is yours and if he >> was indeed married twice. >> >> My strategy: See if you can find the marriage of your FLdC & wife 2. That >> would state Franco is a widower. If you can't find it, I'd stay in Praia >> do Norte, collect ALL the kids of your FLdC & wife Maria Felecia. If you >> wind up having your Franco. & wife 1 having kids while Franco. & wife 2 are >> having kids, you probably have 2 different Francos. And if that overlap >> doesn't happen, then find all the marriages of the kids of Franco & Ma. >> Felicia. One of the marriages may say that Franco is alive but mom is dead. >> That's a good clue that your Franco went over and married wife 2. >> >> Cheri >> >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das >> Tainhas, Achada >> >> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Sean Andrade <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> My ancestor, their child, was not listed on that page, Inacia Luisa, who >>> died in 1871, and the death record lists them as the parents and says >>> Francisco Leal is from Castelo Branco. >>> >>> I found the marriage record for Francisco and Maria Felicia in Capelo. >>> >>> It does say that Francisco was born in Castelo Branco and lists his >>> parents which helped me find his Birth record in Castelo Branco. >>> >>> Maria Felicia died in Praia do Norte and when she died in 1844 it stated >>> she was still married to Francisco which means he was still alive. A lot of >>> my ancestors had been born and married in Capelo but died in Praia do Norte >>> because I believe that section of Capelo officially became Praia do Norte. >>> >>> I searched the death records several times in Praia do Norte for >>> Francisco Leal, but I couldn't find anything. I went on NEPS to see if >>> maybe he was in another town and came across that page. I haven't checked >>> Castelo Branco or Capelo yet, but if I don't find him in either of those I >>> figure I may as well check Cedros and see if I can find him there. >>> >>> If I find the correct death record in Cedros would they make mention of >>> him being a widow if he remarried? >>> >>> On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 12:52:40 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote: >>>> >>>> Sean, >>>> >>>> I'm going to assume that the typo in 1944 should be 1844. Or I hope. >>>> >>>> The NEPS site has wrong information on this family. They have probably >>>> blended 2 different people of the same name. >>>> >>>> 1784 Francisco Leal da Costa born >>>> 1788 Maria Felicia de Jesus born >>>> 1808 Francisco & Maria marry >>>> 1809 Francisco's 2nd wife, Maria Tomasia is born >>>> 1821 or later, daughter of Francisco and MARIA FELICIA, Ana Maria >>>> Pereira is born >>>> 1831 son of Francisco and MARIA FELICIA, Antonio Leal da Costa marries >>>> (Francisco would be way older than sister Ana Maria born 1821 or later) >>>> 1840s son of Francisco and MARIA FELICIA, Jose Leal da Costa marries >>>> (guess based on his kids' birth). Also, this Jose would be around the age >>>> of Ana Maria, I would think). >>>> 1844 MARIA FELICIA dies >>>> 1846 son of Francisco and MARIA TOMASIA is born >>>> >>>> When you put events in your genealogy program, you can see a timeline >>>> for events. You'll be able to see gaps or mistakes. >>>> >>>> I see that there are not enough kids for Francisco & Maria Felicia. >>>> They marry in 1808 and they think a kid is born in 1821 or later? Where >>>> are >>>> all the kids? The NEPS site may not have recorded the babies that did not >>>> reach adulthood. Also, if it is the same Francisco, he married a woman the >>>> age of his kids. >>>> >>>> There are 3 different locations that Francisco Leal da Costa is in. It >>>> seems like too much moving around. It's covering almost half the island of >>>> Faial. >>>> >>>> I would use caution with the information from NEPS on this family. Go >>>> back to the actual records and try to verify everything. Work with what >>>> you >>>> know going BACK in time. Stay in one freguesia until you can find no more >>>> or until a records states a different freguesia. >>>> >>>> Cheri >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheri Mello >>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das >>>> Tainhas, Achada >>>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 11:13 AM, Sean Andrade <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks. His first wife died in 1944 in Praia do Norte. It doesn't say >>>>> when his second marriage was so I don't know if this happened while he >>>>> was >>>>> still married. >>>>> >>>>> It looks like he moved to Cedros after his first wife's death, but I >>>>> wonder when the son had been born. >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 11:01:07 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> The existance of the 2nd marriage of Francisco with Maria Tomasia was >>>>>> known after the birth of son Jose. >>>>>> Francisco received his Divine Sacraments and was accompanied by the >>>>>> College (?) to his grave (maybe that's something like the Knights of >>>>>> Columbus that we have now?) >>>>>> He died with about 74 years of age and not 70, as the priest referred >>>>>> to. >>>>>> >>>>>> A native speaker will make a better translation. >>>>>> >>>>>> Make sure Fransisco's first wife is indeed dead, otherwise, you've >>>>>> got 2 Francisco's running around. And there are probably more kids that >>>>>> they did not pick up. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheri >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheri Mello >>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>>>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das >>>>>> Tainhas, Achada >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Sean Andrade <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I was searching through uminho and came across this for Francisco >>>>>>> Leal da Costa: >>>>>>> http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=CEDROS&lang=pt&m=NG&n=Francisco+Leal+da+Costa&t=PN >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There is a notes section on the bottom that I tried to translate, >>>>>>> but I don't understand what it means. Here it is: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Notas >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - NOTA: A existência do 2º.casamento do Francisco com a Maria >>>>>>> Tomásia, só foi >>>>>>> conhecido através do registo de nascimento (baptismo) do filho >>>>>>> José. >>>>>>> O Francisco recebeu todos os "divinos sacramentos" e foi >>>>>>> acompanhado pelo >>>>>>> Colégio à sepultura. >>>>>>> Faleceu com cerca de 74 anos de idade e não 70 anos, como refere >>>>>>> o padre. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >>>>>>> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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