Eric, Also, Velma's middle initial is showing as M on her 1st marriage in 1923. There is no initial specified on her marriage to Joe Hughes in 1933. On my birth certificate her middle initial is E not M. She must have had two or more middle names.
Dave On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 10:27 AM, luiznoia . <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes, By identifying the parents, I may be able to postively identify > Manuel , then Edward, son of Velma and him. > > There is somone that ties this family to Orange County and San Bernardino. > There are more than one M.Coelho family dairy farming in both places. I > have not indentified what the M stands for. Martin, Macedo, Machado or > other. > > Same for the M Cotta. Also tied to San Bernardino, as it was the Joe M > Cotta death record place. > > Eric > On Oct 21, 2015 8:10 AM, "Dave Worman" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Manuel M. Coelho's parents are: Joe M. Coelho birthplace Portugal and >> Mary Nazera (maiden name) birthplace Portugal. Will this information be >> of help to you? >> >> Dave >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 3:12 PM, luiznoia . <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Who are his parents? >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Dave Worman <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Eric, >>>> >>>> I agree that she was probably 13 years old when she married in 1923. >>>> >>>> The marriage certificate does not give specific residence addresses, >>>> just Tulare for Velma M. Cotta and Tipton for the groom Manuel M Coelho. >>>> The parents addresses are not given at all - just their names and >>>> birthplaces. The mother's of the bride and groom are listed by their >>>> maiden names. >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 10:41 AM, luiznoia . <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dave, >>>>> I think the everchanging ages on censuses are due to languague >>>>> confusion more than anything else. >>>>> >>>>> Thirteen years old with parental consent was allowed then. My g >>>>> grandmother was 13 when she married a 35 yr old in 1909 with her mother as >>>>> the witness. >>>>> >>>>> This certificate confirms we are on the right track with the Joe M >>>>> Cotta family. When the CCA site comes back online, I'll continue the >>>>> passport search to locate them arriving in 1901 . >>>>> Does it give the names of Manuel's parents, or ant adresses? >>>>> >>>>> EricE >>>>> On Oct 20, 2015 8:02 AM, "Dave Worman" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Eric, >>>>>> Just received a copy of the Marriage Certificate for Velma M. Cotta >>>>>> and Manuel M. Coelho on Oct. 13, 1923 in Tulare, Calif. It shows her >>>>>> name >>>>>> as *Velma* not Belmira even though the newspaper article listed her >>>>>> as Belmira. >>>>>> >>>>>> Her parents are Joe M. Cotta - birthplace Portugal and Mary >>>>>> Conceicao - birthplace Portugal the same as the 1910 census. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now the fun part! It shows Velma's age as 17 years old!! The >>>>>> 1910 census clearly shows Belmira as 2/12 - 2 months old. Do you >>>>>> suppose >>>>>> the parents fudged a bit on her age? >>>>>> >>>>>> Dave >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 10:36 AM, luiznoia . <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, I'm aware alien residents were required to register. However, >>>>>>> when someone lives in the US for 60 years and doesn't >>>>>>> >>>>>>> apply for citizenship, he's probably not filling out draft cards and >>>>>>> Social Security either. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I believe I've ruled out the Joe M Cotta, Jose Martin Cotta, and >>>>>>> Joseph Machado Cotta in Tulare as the one we're looking for. They can >>>>>>> all >>>>>>> be >>>>>>> >>>>>>> tracked to future censuses and vital records showing then with other >>>>>>> families. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Same is true with the brother Frank M ( Courter) Cotta found in the >>>>>>> household on the 1910 Kaweah, Tulare census. There are four Frank M >>>>>>> Cotta >>>>>>> around, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> none of those line up with the 1888 birthdate, and 1907 arrival. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Eric Edgar >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 7:39 AM, Rosemarie Capodicci < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Eric, It didn't matter if you were an Alien or not, you filled out >>>>>>>> a draft card in WWI. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Rosemarie >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, >>>>>>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 1:55 PM, luiznoia . <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> No, Joe M Cotta can be found in Tulare in 1910. 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