In short, I understand it is implicit in the text that they were not married because they were relatives with a forbidden degree of consanguinity and they will ask for the dispensation.
Manoel Em quinta-feira, 31 de março de 2016 18:04:21 UTC-3, Sandra Perez escreveu: > > What does it say? > > On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 11:15 AM, mances <[email protected] <javascript:>> > wrote: > >> Sandra, >> >> Yes, you're right, and it's a very interesting record. >> >> Here's what I read: >> " ... hua menina f.a de João Camello e Barbara Muniz, que entre elles >> ouverão, e por serem parentes em grao proibido impetrão breve de ..? >> santidade ..." >> "...uma menina filha de João Camelo e Bárbara Moniz, que entre eles >> houveram e por serem parentes em grau proibido impetram breve ..? >> santidade.." >> >> Manoel >> >> >> Em quinta-feira, 31 de março de 2016 11:00:35 UTC-3, Sandra Perez >> escreveu: >>> >>> Thank you. Manoel did I have Joao Camelo Pereira and Barbara Monis' >>> marriage and their daughter, Maria's, early birth correct? Why would >>> they wait five years to marry? >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 7:50 PM, mances <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Sandra, >>>> >>>> I know of a Furtado's line which is connected to Moniz Vieira and >>>> Bettencourt in Fenais da Ajuda in that time period. >>>> Captain Braz Furtado de Medeiros married Maria Moniz Vieira and I think >>>> that she may be connected to Bárbara Moniz de Bettencourt. >>>> >>>> Manoel >>>> >>>> Em quarta-feira, 30 de março de 2016 19:56:31 UTC-3, Sandra Perez >>>> escreveu: >>>>> >>>>> Manoel, Capt. Braz Monis Pereira fo Joao Camelo Pereira and Dona >>>>> Barbara Monis de Battencout was padrinho to my 5th g-grandfather, Manoel >>>>> Pereira. Manoel was the son of Manoel Furtado Seixas & Maria Pereira >>>>> (no marriage for them--6th mo. gap in records). There seems to be close >>>>> ties of this family to Manoel Furtado's family. Do you know of any >>>>> Furtados connected to the Camelo Pereiras? I did find a Manoel Furtado >>>>> for >>>>> padrinho for >>>>> one of their children born in Fernais da Ajuda. Also, I just found >>>>> Joao Camelo Pereira e Barbara Monis' marriage, however their daughter, >>>>> Maria was born way before they married! Tell what you think. >>>>> >>>>> Joao Camelo Pereira e Barbara Monis 12 Nov 1679. >>>>> >>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-C-1622-1683/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-C-1622-1683_item1/P169.html >>>>> >>>>> Maria 10 Feb 1674--top right. >>>>> >>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-B-1662-1699/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-B-1662-1699_item1/P37.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 2:40 PM, mances <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Sandra, >>>>>> >>>>>> Gaspar Camelo Pereira >>>>>> >>>>>> The witness: Rui Vaz de Medeiros >>>>>> >>>>>> Gaspar Camelo Pereira and Guiomar Álvares Pinheiro are my ancestors >>>>>> too. They are in Rodrigo Rodrigues book. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sebastião Vieira Machado and Bárbara de Medeiros [Camelo] are in the >>>>>> RR book as well. I have common ancestors with these people too. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Manoel César Furtado >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Em quarta-feira, 30 de março de 2016 18:11:04 UTC-3, Sandra Perez >>>>>> escreveu: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Need help with bride's father and the first witness. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 12 Oct 1611 Sebastiao Vieira Machado fo Gaspar Vieira Rocha e Maria >>>>>>> Lourenco da Costa >>>>>>> married Barbara de Medeiros fa ? Camelo Pereira e Guimar Alvres >>>>>>> Pinheira. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Witnesses: ? de Medeiros e Antonio de Paiva. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1584-1615/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1584-1615_item1/P108.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sandra Perez >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >>>>>> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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