Thank you, Manoel. On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 2:56 PM, mances <[email protected]> wrote:
> In short, I understand it is implicit in the text that they were not > married because they were relatives with a forbidden degree of > consanguinity and they will ask for the dispensation. > > Manoel > > Em quinta-feira, 31 de março de 2016 18:04:21 UTC-3, Sandra Perez escreveu: >> >> What does it say? >> >> On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 11:15 AM, mances <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Sandra, >>> >>> Yes, you're right, and it's a very interesting record. >>> >>> Here's what I read: >>> " ... hua menina f.a de João Camello e Barbara Muniz, que entre elles >>> ouverão, e por serem parentes em grao proibido impetrão breve de ..? >>> santidade ..." >>> "...uma menina filha de João Camelo e Bárbara Moniz, que entre eles >>> houveram e por serem parentes em grau proibido impetram breve ..? >>> santidade.." >>> >>> Manoel >>> >>> >>> Em quinta-feira, 31 de março de 2016 11:00:35 UTC-3, Sandra Perez >>> escreveu: >>>> >>>> Thank you. Manoel did I have Joao Camelo Pereira and Barbara Monis' >>>> marriage and their daughter, Maria's, early birth correct? Why would >>>> they wait five years to marry? >>>> >>>> On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 7:50 PM, mances <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Sandra, >>>>> >>>>> I know of a Furtado's line which is connected to Moniz Vieira and >>>>> Bettencourt in Fenais da Ajuda in that time period. >>>>> Captain Braz Furtado de Medeiros married Maria Moniz Vieira and I >>>>> think that she may be connected to Bárbara Moniz de Bettencourt. >>>>> >>>>> Manoel >>>>> >>>>> Em quarta-feira, 30 de março de 2016 19:56:31 UTC-3, Sandra Perez >>>>> escreveu: >>>>>> >>>>>> Manoel, Capt. Braz Monis Pereira fo Joao Camelo Pereira and Dona >>>>>> Barbara Monis de Battencout was padrinho to my 5th g-grandfather, Manoel >>>>>> Pereira. Manoel was the son of Manoel Furtado Seixas & Maria Pereira >>>>>> (no marriage for them--6th mo. gap in records). There seems to be close >>>>>> ties of this family to Manoel Furtado's family. Do you know of any >>>>>> Furtados connected to the Camelo Pereiras? I did find a Manoel Furtado >>>>>> for >>>>>> padrinho for >>>>>> one of their children born in Fernais da Ajuda. Also, I just found >>>>>> Joao Camelo Pereira e Barbara Monis' marriage, however their daughter, >>>>>> Maria was born way before they married! Tell what you think. >>>>>> >>>>>> Joao Camelo Pereira e Barbara Monis 12 Nov 1679. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-C-1622-1683/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-C-1622-1683_item1/P169.html >>>>>> >>>>>> Maria 10 Feb 1674--top right. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-B-1662-1699/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-B-1662-1699_item1/P37.html >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 2:40 PM, mances <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Sandra, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gaspar Camelo Pereira >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The witness: Rui Vaz de Medeiros >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gaspar Camelo Pereira and Guiomar Álvares Pinheiro are my ancestors >>>>>>> too. They are in Rodrigo Rodrigues book. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sebastião Vieira Machado and Bárbara de Medeiros [Camelo] are in the >>>>>>> RR book as well. I have common ancestors with these people too. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Manoel César Furtado >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Em quarta-feira, 30 de março de 2016 18:11:04 UTC-3, Sandra Perez >>>>>>> escreveu: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Need help with bride's father and the first witness. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 12 Oct 1611 Sebastiao Vieira Machado fo Gaspar Vieira Rocha e Maria >>>>>>>> Lourenco da Costa >>>>>>>> married Barbara de Medeiros fa ? Camelo Pereira e Guimar Alvres >>>>>>>> Pinheira. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Witnesses: ? de Medeiros e Antonio de Paiva. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1584-1615/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1584-1615_item1/P108.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sandra Perez >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >>>>>>> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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