thanks, Rosemarie! i have the passenger manifest of US citizens for my avô but not the others... now I can't wait to get home!
you guys rock! di On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 12:07 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci <[email protected]> wrote: > Di, You certainly know a lot but I agree with Cheri, you need to look for > the ship lists for all of the 'brothers' that were granted citizenship > under their father. If you can work from what you know to what you haven't > been able to verify you might find what is needed. We'll let you get back > to work and look up all of your paperwork when you get home! I think that > finding the brothers' passports *out of the Azores* is a step you need to > take, hopefully you will get more direct info from there. > > Rosemarie > [email protected] > Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, > Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily > > On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:57 AM, diane rezendes <[email protected] > > wrote: > >> Hi, Cheri. >> >> Wow! thank you so very much! I'm at work right now, so will have to get >> it for you later on... >> from memory, here's what I can tell you at the moment (not sure how much >> of it is helpful...): >> >> *my grandfather: Manuel Rezendes: he is the one who emigrated from the >> Azores* >> >> - DOB Jan. 20 (or 21), 1901 in Ponta Delgada. (date of death >> September (10?), 1977. >> - immigrated via Port of Boston. >> - Came to the US twice before his third and final trip, settling in >> Somerville, MA >> - In this last trip, he brought his new bride (my grandmother, >> Waldemira) [Raposo da Conceiçao -- I think...] in 1927. (they married at >> the Church of Sao Pedro in Ponta Delgada.) >> - He held US citizenship 'through father's papers.' I also have the >> passenger manifest from at least one of the voyages. >> - The census data I found for him is consistent with what I know - >> his wife, their ages, address (4 Waldo Ave., Somerville, if that is >> useful). >> >> >> I did find through the Library of Congress that he had applied for US >> citizenship many years after he was here (the family story is that people >> at work were teasing him that he'd get sent back, so he applied, perhaps >> not confident that he was a citizen - and the application came back as >> 'disqualified' or similar because he was already a US citizen). >> >> *his father: also Manuel Rezendes (who did NOT emigrate, so far as we >> know)* >> >> - born Ponta Delgada. Year of birth 1869, I believe - will verify. >> - Year of death 1927, also in Ponta Delgada. I have 'Report on the >> Death of an American Citizen' from the US Consulate there. >> - His wife was Alexandrina (I have the marriage papers as well). >> - (spelling was likely Resendes in earlier generations). >> - I did not look in Azorean Passaportes (was not aware of it) to see >> if he had ever left. Our family understanding is that he lived there his >> whole life, but you know how reliable family memory can be -- or not! >> >> I will also check with my cousins to see if they have anything more... >> thanks! >> di >> >> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Cheri Mello <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Di, >>> >>> Can you tell me where to find your immigrant ancestor's American arrival >>> record? Under what name, date, and port? I can look it up on Ancestry. It >>> might help Marian. Also, did you find your immigrant ancestor LEAVING the >>> Azores in the Azorean Passaportes? What did the U.S. Censuses say about >>> citizenship for your ancestor through the years? >>> >>> Cheri Mello >>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Cheri Mello <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Or it's the papers of the wrong Manuel Resendes. >>>> >>>> The naturalization laws changed a lot over the years. I don't know what >>>> they laws were off the top of my head for the mid-1800s. I do know that the >>>> rule Rosemarie stated was still in effect in the 1940s. I helped a friend >>>> with his genealogy and his dad, born in Poland in the 1920s, obtained his >>>> citizenship via his dad's citizenship, who was filed earlier. >>>> >>>> Try these: >>>> "*Locating Your Immigrant Ancestor*" by James C. Neagles and Lile Lee >>>> Neagles. >>>> >>>> "*American Naturalization Processes and Procedures 1790- 1985*" by >>>> John J. Newman. >>>> >>>> "*A Guide to Naturalization Records of the United States*" by >>>> Christina K. Schaefer. (All of these are probably available in your public >>>> library). >>>> >>>> I'm going to contact Marian on your behalf as well. >>>> >>>> Cheri >>>> >>>> Cheri Mello >>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Margaret Vicente < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yes, and from what you wrote his children moved to the USA on his >>>>> father's "Naturalisation" papers. Papers of someone that "never" went to >>>>> the USA, someone that was "naturalised", right? >>>>> >>>>> These rights could only be acquired through *a*) a *born* American >>>>> Citizen (which he's not) or* b*) a son/daughter of an American >>>>> citizen, naturalised through the parents. That's why I'm suggesting >>>>> you're >>>>> looking in the wrong direction and should instead be looking at his >>>>> parents >>>>> and grandparents history. >>>>> >>>>> One other factor that may be relevant, is what was his profession in >>>>> Ponta Delgada? Also presuming this to be in the island of Sao Miguel. >>>>> >>>>> Someone in this list may be able to assist if you provide the >>>>> specifics i.e. place and date of his birth and his parents names. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Cheri Mello <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> There's something not right about this. I'll see if I can put you in >>>>>> contact with Marian Smith of the USCIS. She's the one who has worked for >>>>>> them for years (going back to the INS days) and she does genealogy >>>>>> lectures >>>>>> too. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheri Mello >>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 8:44 AM, Di <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> thanks for your replies! so speedy, too! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> here's the thing that has me confused: my great-grandfather never >>>>>>> lived in the United States. He was born in Ponta Delgada, died there, >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> spent his whole life there, yet somewhere along the way was granted US >>>>>>> citizenship. that's the piece that seems mysterious. His sons (my >>>>>>> grandfather & great-uncles) came to the US and lived in & around East >>>>>>> Cambridge, MA. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Friday, March 31, 2017 at 8:03:20 AM UTC-7, Di wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi everyone! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm new to the group and this is my first post. In reading your >>>>>>>> posts & replies, I'm so impressed with the depth of knowledge here and >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> commitment & dedication to the research! And special appreciation to >>>>>>>> Cheri >>>>>>>> Mello for managing the listserv - what a labor of love. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Here's what I'm trying to figure out: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My great-grandfather, *Manuel Rezendes (Resendes)* was born in >>>>>>>> Ponta Delgada around 1869. He died in Ponta Delgada in 1927. I have a >>>>>>>> document from the American Consulate, "Report on the Death of An >>>>>>>> American >>>>>>>> Citizen" about him. So we know at some point, he was granted >>>>>>>> citizenship, >>>>>>>> even though he never took advantage of it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's 'derivative papers,' meaning that the grant of citizenship was >>>>>>>> for him and his children. So his five children were born with >>>>>>>> Portuguese >>>>>>>> AND US citizenship - which is how my avô and his brothers emigrated >>>>>>>> without >>>>>>>> having to be naturalized. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On the passenger manifest for the ship my avô came over on, he is >>>>>>>> listed as a US citizen (under 'Court of Naturalization,' it lists his >>>>>>>> home >>>>>>>> address and the notation *'through father's papers'*). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm trying to track down the circumstances of how my >>>>>>>> great-grandfather was granted the US citizenship. I've called the >>>>>>>> Consulate (they told me they don't keep the paperwork after 20 years). >>>>>>>> Recently while on a visit to Washington, I went to the National >>>>>>>> Archives, >>>>>>>> where the archivists told me they'd never heard anything like it -- >>>>>>>> and in >>>>>>>> fact, doubted my story until I showed them the paperwork. The other >>>>>>>> route >>>>>>>> I'm going to try, at their suggestion, is the US State Dep't., but that >>>>>>>> could take years, ha. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Has anyone here had a similar circumstance, or have you heard of >>>>>>>> anything like this?* Or ideas of other ways to try to track it >>>>>>>> down? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am a complete novice at all this, so any and all >>>>>>>> tips/direction/advice are warmly welcomed! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> all the best, >>>>>>>> di >>>>>>>> Diane Rezendes >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Margaret M Vicente >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >>> Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/to >>> pic/azores/4bSAJP879Kw/unsubscribe. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>> [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/ > topic/azores/4bSAJP879Kw/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. 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