Cheri, The double V (W) was part of the alphabet however as later dropped as it became redundant and back on under the new orthographic accord along with the addition of letters K and Y.
It's like "now you see it and now you don't" LOL. On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 4:57 PM, Cheri Mello <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks Margaret. The first basic Portuguese grammar book that I bought > stated there was no W, so that's why I was thinking ?????. And Di thinks > the name is of Russian origin. > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 11:49 AM, Margaret Vicente < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Cheri, >> >> It was pronounced as the letter "V". Valdemira >> >> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Cheri Mello <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> So what's with Waldemira? She's immigrated under that name, but "W" >>> isn't used in Portuguese. >>> >>> Cheri Mello >>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 11:35 AM, Margaret Vicente < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Diane, >>>> >>>> Your Manuel de Rezendes is my Great Grandfather's also named Manuel de >>>> Rezendes, 2nd Cousin. >>>> >>>> He had a brother named Caetano and a sister Maria married to Manuel >>>> Furtado do Couto. >>>> >>>> His parents were Manuel de Rezendes and Alexandrina da Gloria, married >>>> in Sao Pedro Nov 23 1891. My GGF first cousin and son of Bento de Rezendes. >>>> >>>> I'll be happy to assist with any questions you may have on this side of >>>> the family. This family originated in Santa Maria Island. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Cousin >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 2:13 PM, Cheri Mello <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I've got to go,but took a quick look...."W" is not used in the >>>>> Portuguese alphabet, so I don't know where Waldemira comes from?? Will >>>>> need >>>>> his immigration dates. Will wait for you to get back home. >>>>> >>>>> Cheri Mello >>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:57 AM, diane rezendes < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, Cheri. >>>>>> >>>>>> Wow! thank you so very much! I'm at work right now, so will have to >>>>>> get it for you later on... >>>>>> from memory, here's what I can tell you at the moment (not sure how >>>>>> much of it is helpful...): >>>>>> >>>>>> *my grandfather: Manuel Rezendes: he is the one who emigrated from >>>>>> the Azores* >>>>>> >>>>>> - DOB Jan. 20 (or 21), 1901 in Ponta Delgada. (date of death >>>>>> September (10?), 1977. >>>>>> - immigrated via Port of Boston. >>>>>> - Came to the US twice before his third and final trip, settling >>>>>> in Somerville, MA >>>>>> - In this last trip, he brought his new bride (my grandmother, >>>>>> Waldemira) [Raposo da Conceiçao -- I think...] in 1927. (they >>>>>> married at >>>>>> the Church of Sao Pedro in Ponta Delgada.) >>>>>> - He held US citizenship 'through father's papers.' I also have >>>>>> the passenger manifest from at least one of the voyages. >>>>>> - The census data I found for him is consistent with what I know >>>>>> - his wife, their ages, address (4 Waldo Ave., Somerville, if that is >>>>>> useful). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I did find through the Library of Congress that he had applied for US >>>>>> citizenship many years after he was here (the family story is that people >>>>>> at work were teasing him that he'd get sent back, so he applied, perhaps >>>>>> not confident that he was a citizen - and the application came back as >>>>>> 'disqualified' or similar because he was already a US citizen). >>>>>> >>>>>> *his father: also Manuel Rezendes (who did NOT emigrate, so far as we >>>>>> know)* >>>>>> >>>>>> - born Ponta Delgada. Year of birth 1869, I believe - will >>>>>> verify. >>>>>> - Year of death 1927, also in Ponta Delgada. I have 'Report on >>>>>> the Death of an American Citizen' from the US Consulate there. >>>>>> - His wife was Alexandrina (I have the marriage papers as well). >>>>>> - (spelling was likely Resendes in earlier generations). >>>>>> - I did not look in Azorean Passaportes (was not aware of it) to >>>>>> see if he had ever left. Our family understanding is that he lived >>>>>> there >>>>>> his whole life, but you know how reliable family memory can be -- or >>>>>> not! >>>>>> >>>>>> I will also check with my cousins to see if they have anything more... >>>>>> thanks! >>>>>> di >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Cheri Mello <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Di, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Can you tell me where to find your immigrant ancestor's American >>>>>>> arrival record? Under what name, date, and port? I can look it up on >>>>>>> Ancestry. It might help Marian. Also, did you find your immigrant >>>>>>> ancestor >>>>>>> LEAVING the Azores in the Azorean Passaportes? What did the U.S. >>>>>>> Censuses >>>>>>> say about citizenship for your ancestor through the years? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheri Mello >>>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>>>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>>>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Cheri Mello <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Or it's the papers of the wrong Manuel Resendes. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The naturalization laws changed a lot over the years. I don't know >>>>>>>> what they laws were off the top of my head for the mid-1800s. I do know >>>>>>>> that the rule Rosemarie stated was still in effect in the 1940s. I >>>>>>>> helped a >>>>>>>> friend with his genealogy and his dad, born in Poland in the 1920s, >>>>>>>> obtained his citizenship via his dad's citizenship, who was filed >>>>>>>> earlier. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Try these: >>>>>>>> "*Locating Your Immigrant Ancestor*" by James C. Neagles and Lile >>>>>>>> Lee Neagles. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "*American Naturalization Processes and Procedures 1790- 1985*" by >>>>>>>> John J. Newman. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "*A Guide to Naturalization Records of the United States*" by >>>>>>>> Christina K. Schaefer. (All of these are probably available in your >>>>>>>> public >>>>>>>> library). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm going to contact Marian on your behalf as well. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheri >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheri Mello >>>>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>>>>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>>>>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Margaret Vicente < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes, and from what you wrote his children moved to the USA on his >>>>>>>>> father's "Naturalisation" papers. Papers of someone that "never" >>>>>>>>> went to >>>>>>>>> the USA, someone that was "naturalised", right? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> These rights could only be acquired through *a*) a *born* >>>>>>>>> American Citizen (which he's not) or* b*) a son/daughter of an >>>>>>>>> American citizen, naturalised through the parents. That's why I'm >>>>>>>>> suggesting you're looking in the wrong direction and should instead be >>>>>>>>> looking at his parents and grandparents history. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> One other factor that may be relevant, is what was his profession >>>>>>>>> in Ponta Delgada? Also presuming this to be in the island of Sao >>>>>>>>> Miguel. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Someone in this list may be able to assist if you provide the >>>>>>>>> specifics i.e. place and date of his birth and his parents names. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Cheri Mello <[email protected] >>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There's something not right about this. I'll see if I can put you >>>>>>>>>> in contact with Marian Smith of the USCIS. She's the one who has >>>>>>>>>> worked for >>>>>>>>>> them for years (going back to the INS days) and she does genealogy >>>>>>>>>> lectures >>>>>>>>>> too. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cheri Mello >>>>>>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>>>>>>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>>>>>>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 8:44 AM, Di <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> thanks for your replies! so speedy, too! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> here's the thing that has me confused: my great-grandfather >>>>>>>>>>> never lived in the United States. He was born in Ponta Delgada, >>>>>>>>>>> died >>>>>>>>>>> there, and spent his whole life there, yet somewhere along the way >>>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>> granted US citizenship. that's the piece that seems mysterious. >>>>>>>>>>> His sons >>>>>>>>>>> (my grandfather & great-uncles) came to the US and lived in & >>>>>>>>>>> around East >>>>>>>>>>> Cambridge, MA. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, March 31, 2017 at 8:03:20 AM UTC-7, Di wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm new to the group and this is my first post. In reading your >>>>>>>>>>>> posts & replies, I'm so impressed with the depth of knowledge here >>>>>>>>>>>> and the >>>>>>>>>>>> commitment & dedication to the research! And special appreciation >>>>>>>>>>>> to Cheri >>>>>>>>>>>> Mello for managing the listserv - what a labor of love. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Here's what I'm trying to figure out: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> My great-grandfather, *Manuel Rezendes (Resendes)* was born in >>>>>>>>>>>> Ponta Delgada around 1869. He died in Ponta Delgada in 1927. I >>>>>>>>>>>> have a >>>>>>>>>>>> document from the American Consulate, "Report on the Death of An >>>>>>>>>>>> American >>>>>>>>>>>> Citizen" about him. So we know at some point, he was granted >>>>>>>>>>>> citizenship, >>>>>>>>>>>> even though he never took advantage of it. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> It's 'derivative papers,' meaning that the grant of citizenship >>>>>>>>>>>> was for him and his children. So his five children were born with >>>>>>>>>>>> Portuguese AND US citizenship - which is how my avô and his >>>>>>>>>>>> brothers >>>>>>>>>>>> emigrated without having to be naturalized. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On the passenger manifest for the ship my avô came over on, he >>>>>>>>>>>> is listed as a US citizen (under 'Court of Naturalization,' it >>>>>>>>>>>> lists his >>>>>>>>>>>> home address and the notation *'through father's papers'*). >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm trying to track down the circumstances of how my >>>>>>>>>>>> great-grandfather was granted the US citizenship. I've called the >>>>>>>>>>>> Consulate (they told me they don't keep the paperwork after 20 >>>>>>>>>>>> years). >>>>>>>>>>>> Recently while on a visit to Washington, I went to the National >>>>>>>>>>>> Archives, >>>>>>>>>>>> where the archivists told me they'd never heard anything like it >>>>>>>>>>>> -- and in >>>>>>>>>>>> fact, doubted my story until I showed them the paperwork. The >>>>>>>>>>>> other route >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm going to try, at their suggestion, is the US State Dep't., but >>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>> could take years, ha. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Has anyone here had a similar circumstance, or have you heard >>>>>>>>>>>> of anything like this?* Or ideas of other ways to try to >>>>>>>>>>>> track it down? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I am a complete novice at all this, so any and all >>>>>>>>>>>> tips/direction/advice are warmly welcomed! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> all the best, >>>>>>>>>>>> di >>>>>>>>>>>> Diane Rezendes >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Margaret M Vicente >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in >>>>>>> the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/to >>>>>>> pic/azores/4bSAJP879Kw/unsubscribe. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Margaret M Vicente >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Margaret M Vicente >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- Margaret M Vicente -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. 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