yes, Cousin! nice to 'meet' you. I do have questions, but don't know where to begin -- will start with trying to track this one down and then go from there. i think i am going to have to draw a diagram to be able to keep things clear in my mind. thank you so much! di
On Friday, March 31, 2017 at 11:35:09 AM UTC-7, Mara wrote: > > Diane, > > Your Manuel de Rezendes is my Great Grandfather's also named Manuel de > Rezendes, 2nd Cousin. > > He had a brother named Caetano and a sister Maria married to Manuel > Furtado do Couto. > > His parents were Manuel de Rezendes and Alexandrina da Gloria, married in > Sao Pedro Nov 23 1891. My GGF first cousin and son of Bento de Rezendes. > > I'll be happy to assist with any questions you may have on this side of > the family. This family originated in Santa Maria Island. > > Cheers, > > Cousin > > > > > On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 2:13 PM, Cheri Mello <[email protected] > <javascript:>> wrote: > >> I've got to go,but took a quick look...."W" is not used in the Portuguese >> alphabet, so I don't know where Waldemira comes from?? Will need his >> immigration dates. Will wait for you to get back home. >> >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, >> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >> >> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:57 AM, diane rezendes <[email protected] >> <javascript:>> wrote: >> >>> Hi, Cheri. >>> >>> Wow! thank you so very much! I'm at work right now, so will have to get >>> it for you later on... >>> from memory, here's what I can tell you at the moment (not sure how much >>> of it is helpful...): >>> >>> *my grandfather: Manuel Rezendes: he is the one who emigrated from the >>> Azores* >>> >>> - DOB Jan. 20 (or 21), 1901 in Ponta Delgada. (date of death >>> September (10?), 1977. >>> - immigrated via Port of Boston. >>> - Came to the US twice before his third and final trip, settling in >>> Somerville, MA >>> - In this last trip, he brought his new bride (my grandmother, >>> Waldemira) [Raposo da Conceiçao -- I think...] in 1927. (they married >>> at >>> the Church of Sao Pedro in Ponta Delgada.) >>> - He held US citizenship 'through father's papers.' I also have the >>> passenger manifest from at least one of the voyages. >>> - The census data I found for him is consistent with what I know - >>> his wife, their ages, address (4 Waldo Ave., Somerville, if that is >>> useful). >>> >>> >>> I did find through the Library of Congress that he had applied for US >>> citizenship many years after he was here (the family story is that people >>> at work were teasing him that he'd get sent back, so he applied, perhaps >>> not confident that he was a citizen - and the application came back as >>> 'disqualified' or similar because he was already a US citizen). >>> >>> *his father: also Manuel Rezendes (who did NOT emigrate, so far as we >>> know)* >>> >>> - born Ponta Delgada. Year of birth 1869, I believe - will verify. >>> - Year of death 1927, also in Ponta Delgada. I have 'Report on the >>> Death of an American Citizen' from the US Consulate there. >>> - His wife was Alexandrina (I have the marriage papers as well). >>> - (spelling was likely Resendes in earlier generations). >>> - I did not look in Azorean Passaportes (was not aware of it) to see >>> if he had ever left. Our family understanding is that he lived there >>> his >>> whole life, but you know how reliable family memory can be -- or not! >>> >>> I will also check with my cousins to see if they have anything more... >>> thanks! >>> di >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Cheri Mello <[email protected] >>> <javascript:>> wrote: >>> >>>> Di, >>>> >>>> Can you tell me where to find your immigrant ancestor's American >>>> arrival record? Under what name, date, and port? I can look it up on >>>> Ancestry. It might help Marian. Also, did you find your immigrant ancestor >>>> LEAVING the Azores in the Azorean Passaportes? What did the U.S. Censuses >>>> say about citizenship for your ancestor through the years? >>>> >>>> Cheri Mello >>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Cheri Mello <[email protected] >>>> <javascript:>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Or it's the papers of the wrong Manuel Resendes. >>>>> >>>>> The naturalization laws changed a lot over the years. I don't know >>>>> what they laws were off the top of my head for the mid-1800s. I do know >>>>> that the rule Rosemarie stated was still in effect in the 1940s. I helped >>>>> a >>>>> friend with his genealogy and his dad, born in Poland in the 1920s, >>>>> obtained his citizenship via his dad's citizenship, who was filed earlier. >>>>> >>>>> Try these: >>>>> "*Locating Your Immigrant Ancestor*" by James C. Neagles and Lile Lee >>>>> Neagles. >>>>> >>>>> "*American Naturalization Processes and Procedures 1790- 1985*" by >>>>> John J. Newman. >>>>> >>>>> "*A Guide to Naturalization Records of the United States*" by >>>>> Christina K. Schaefer. (All of these are probably available in your >>>>> public >>>>> library). >>>>> >>>>> I'm going to contact Marian on your behalf as well. >>>>> >>>>> Cheri >>>>> >>>>> Cheri Mello >>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Margaret Vicente < >>>>> [email protected] <javascript:>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Yes, and from what you wrote his children moved to the USA on his >>>>>> father's "Naturalisation" papers. Papers of someone that "never" went >>>>>> to >>>>>> the USA, someone that was "naturalised", right? >>>>>> >>>>>> These rights could only be acquired through *a*) a *born* American >>>>>> Citizen (which he's not) or* b*) a son/daughter of an American >>>>>> citizen, naturalised through the parents. That's why I'm suggesting >>>>>> you're >>>>>> looking in the wrong direction and should instead be looking at his >>>>>> parents >>>>>> and grandparents history. >>>>>> >>>>>> One other factor that may be relevant, is what was his profession in >>>>>> Ponta Delgada? Also presuming this to be in the island of Sao Miguel. >>>>>> >>>>>> Someone in this list may be able to assist if you provide the >>>>>> specifics i.e. place and date of his birth and his parents names. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Cheri Mello <[email protected] >>>>>> <javascript:>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> There's something not right about this. I'll see if I can put you in >>>>>>> contact with Marian Smith of the USCIS. She's the one who has worked >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> them for years (going back to the INS days) and she does genealogy >>>>>>> lectures >>>>>>> too. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheri Mello >>>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>>>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>>>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 8:44 AM, Di <[email protected] >>>>>>> <javascript:>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> thanks for your replies! so speedy, too! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> here's the thing that has me confused: my great-grandfather never >>>>>>>> lived in the United States. He was born in Ponta Delgada, died there, >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> spent his whole life there, yet somewhere along the way was granted US >>>>>>>> citizenship. that's the piece that seems mysterious. His sons (my >>>>>>>> grandfather & great-uncles) came to the US and lived in & around East >>>>>>>> Cambridge, MA. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Friday, March 31, 2017 at 8:03:20 AM UTC-7, Di wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi everyone! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm new to the group and this is my first post. In reading your >>>>>>>>> posts & replies, I'm so impressed with the depth of knowledge here >>>>>>>>> and the >>>>>>>>> commitment & dedication to the research! And special appreciation to >>>>>>>>> Cheri >>>>>>>>> Mello for managing the listserv - what a labor of love. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Here's what I'm trying to figure out: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My great-grandfather, *Manuel Rezendes (Resendes)* was born in >>>>>>>>> Ponta Delgada around 1869. He died in Ponta Delgada in 1927. I have >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> document from the American Consulate, "Report on the Death of An >>>>>>>>> American >>>>>>>>> Citizen" about him. So we know at some point, he was granted >>>>>>>>> citizenship, >>>>>>>>> even though he never took advantage of it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It's 'derivative papers,' meaning that the grant of citizenship >>>>>>>>> was for him and his children. So his five children were born with >>>>>>>>> Portuguese AND US citizenship - which is how my avô and his brothers >>>>>>>>> emigrated without having to be naturalized. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On the passenger manifest for the ship my avô came over on, he is >>>>>>>>> listed as a US citizen (under 'Court of Naturalization,' it lists his >>>>>>>>> home >>>>>>>>> address and the notation *'through father's papers'*). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm trying to track down the circumstances of how my >>>>>>>>> great-grandfather was granted the US citizenship. I've called the >>>>>>>>> Consulate (they told me they don't keep the paperwork after 20 >>>>>>>>> years). >>>>>>>>> Recently while on a visit to Washington, I went to the National >>>>>>>>> Archives, >>>>>>>>> where the archivists told me they'd never heard anything like it -- >>>>>>>>> and in >>>>>>>>> fact, doubted my story until I showed them the paperwork. The other >>>>>>>>> route >>>>>>>>> I'm going to try, at their suggestion, is the US State Dep't., but >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> could take years, ha. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Has anyone here had a similar circumstance, or have you heard of >>>>>>>>> anything like this?* Or ideas of other ways to try to track it >>>>>>>>> down? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am a complete novice at all this, so any and all >>>>>>>>> tips/direction/advice are warmly welcomed! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> all the best, >>>>>>>>> di >>>>>>>>> Diane Rezendes >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected] <javascript:>. >>>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected] <javascript:>. >>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Margaret M Vicente >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected] <javascript:>. >>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >>>> Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/4bSAJP879Kw/unsubscribe. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>>> [email protected] <javascript:>. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected] <javascript:>. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] <javascript:>. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > > > > -- > Margaret M Vicente > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. 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