Yay, nice when DNA and the paper trail mesh together!

On Dec 21, 2018 1:46 PM, "Joseph Mendonca" <jemendonca...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you JR.  This Manuel de Frias is also known by the alcunha "Sineiro"
> in some of the records and his wife Antonia also bears an alcunha of
> "Lasquinha".  I think it means "a little bit or piece".  This "Sineiro",
> the bell ringer, also shows up in some of my other branches.  My
> 2g-grandmother was Maria de Jesus Mendonca (Sineiro) and a 1st cousin to
> this Manuel de Frias.  She was born in Furnas but her father was from
> Povoacao, Manuel de Sousa Mendonca.  She married Joao do Amaral Gago.
> There's no lack of alcunhas in my family branches!
>
> Thanks for the link to that marriage record.  You saved me some time as I
> was just about to go looking for it.
> This branch finally connects me to a DNA match I've been talking to for a
> little over a year and a half.
>
> On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 3:26 PM JR <jmro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The name of these ancestors is Frias, which was corrupted and became
>> Farias. The same has happened to this name in almost every village I have
>> researched where the name exists, circa the period 1800 or after.  Both
>> Faria and Frias were altered in this way. They sometimes became Farias and
>> sometimes stayed that way. Back in the time of the mainland Portugal List,
>> someone explained the culprit for the variations is the difficulty in
>> pronouncing the r's in certain names.
>>
>> This same Ferias (just a spelling variant) that Joe cited was married as
>> Manuel de Frias and this line goes all the way back to Povoacao. See below.
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
>> PV-FURNAS-C-1842-1858/SMG-PV-FURNAS-C-1842-1858_item1/P87.html
>>
>> Manuel de Frias casou com Antonia de Jesus
>>
>> There are large concentrations of Faria and Frias in, Rabo de Peixe,
>> Maia, Furnas, Povoacao, Ribeira Grande, and some in Ponta Garca, Vila
>> Franca, Lagoa and other places.
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On Thursday, December 20, 2018 at 6:31:24 PM UTC-5, jemendonca642 wrote:
>>>
>>> Vacation has an accent on the "e" férias.  "Ferias" is the way it is
>>> spelled in some of the records. For example:
>>> Left page, top, 4th line down
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
>>> PV-FURNAS-B-1860-1869/SMG-PV-FURNAS-B-1860-1869_item1/P161.html
>>>
>>> I've also seen it spelled "Frias".
>>>
>>> I think it is a different surname from "Faria" but I'm not 100% sure
>>> either.
>>>
>>> I just want to normalize the spelling of the name in my database.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 5:55 PM Cheri Mello <gfsc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think it's Frias. The Guill book has Frias. He doesn't have Ferias.
>>>> Doesn't that word mean vacation?
>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 2:47 PM GENEVA COOK-GERVAIS <
>>>> gene...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My distant family from Sao Miguel used the spelling De Faria , Faria
>>>>> and Farias. Don't know if that is the same family or not....….
>>>>>
>>>>> On December 20, 2018 at 5:26 PM Joseph Mendonca <jemend...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I am discovering ancestors with the surname of Ferias and sometimes I
>>>>> see it spelled Frias.  Can anyone tell me what the normalized modern
>>>>> spelling of this name is?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>
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