I'm not sure if this is the case here. Did this baby die? I'm pretty sure it's a term though. In my American research, when I've seen a baby referred to as a "creature" the baby died. It appeared to have birth defects. I don't know that would be the case in the Azores though. I've seen babies called "creatures."
Cheri Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 2:38 AM <[email protected]> wrote: > I noticed a Pedro Conde de Sodré in a family tree on familysearch.org > whose wife was Catharina Antunes de Miranda. It says that he was born Abt. > 1605 and she Abt. 1610 and that they married Abt. 1630. That would be 98 > years before the marriage you posted. > > Since CCA is down I couldn't try to determine the veracity of the > familysearch.org information, but I thought it might interest you so I'm > passing it along. > https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LYK7-WZD > > Bill Seidler > > > On Saturday, March 16, 2019 at 11:35:39 PM UTC-7, want2beunique wrote: >> >> Thank you Bill! >> >> This helps tremendously. This may not be THE Pedro I need, but I've >> captured his information for later incorporation in my tree. >> >> I looked at the last part with "critatura" and came up with the same. >> Strange way to refer to a baby. >> >> Thanks again! >> >> Bill >> >> [image: Inline image] >> >> >> On Saturday, March 16, 2019, 5:22:29 PM PDT, [email protected] < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> I think Pedro's wife is D. Barbara de Mello. Specifically what I see is >> ...e D. Agada--DIGO--D. Barbara de Mello. (He initially wrote Agada, then >> corrected himself to Barbara) >> >> You translated the date of birth: 10 Sep 1728. It later says he was >> baptized in this parish of NS da Guadalupe on day 18 of the same month and >> year. Padrinhos: Manuel Fernandes Balieiro, married with D. Antonia ? de >> Jesus, parishioners of Matriz da Santa Cruz; and Agada Novaes?, daughter of >> Alferes Antonio ? Picanço?, resident of parish of Apostolo São Mattheus. >> Witnesses were the same Alfares Antonio Pereira Picanço (I can read it >> better her) and Manuel de Conde, brother of the father of this >> criatura??(I'm sure this a word that references the baby, but I am >> reluctant to translate it as creature) >> >> Bill Seidler >> >> On Saturday, March 16, 2019 at 1:37:21 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote: >> >> Debbie, >> >> The records are the spelling rules before 1911. The translators use the >> modern spellings. So that is why you see the discrepancies. >> >> The number one: um, hum, and hu (with the tilde over the u) is one that >> confuses the translator. Many others exist too. >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, >> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >> >> >> On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 1:33 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> I find it helpful to just type your partial translation into google >> translate: >> >> Manoel son of Pedro do Conde Sodre and of [Agada Mejeo?] Of Dona Barbara >> de Mello Parochiano of [?] Living on the Victory Road on the 10th of >> September, one thousand seven hundred and twenty eight, and [foy?] >> Parochial of Our Lady of Guadalupe on the [...] month and year in ... >> >> Simple, but helpful most of the time. It has me looking harder for the >> spelling of what you are unsure of because it doesn’t recognize those >> either. >> >> Debbie >> >> >> On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 12:15 PM 'Bill Boyd' via Azores Genealogy < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hello! >> >> I have a partial translation for this baptism (bottom right) >> >> >> http://culturacores.azores. gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA- >> SC-GUADALUPE-B-1717-1730/GRA- SC-GUADALUPE-B-1717-1730_ item1/P154.html >> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-B-1717-1730/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-B-1717-1730_item1/P154.html> >> >> Partial translation: >> Manoel filho de Pedro do Conde Sodre e de [Agada Mejeo?] de Dona Barbara >> de Mello Parochiano de [?] moradora no Caminho da Victoria nos ao em os >> dez de Setembro de mil sete centos vinte oito, e [foy?] Parochial de Nossa >> Senora de Guadalupe em os [?] de mes e anno em ... >> >> The wife's name should be (according to other sources) Catarina Antunes >> de Miranda. What is the name of Pedro's spouse and what are the words >> before her name? Also, I couldn't determine Manoel's birth date. >> >> I'm starting to explore earlier records hoping to find a connection from >> the Azores to the mainland. We are planning a trip to Portugal in the >> Summer and I would really love to find where either the Conde line or the >> da Silva de Vasconcellos originated. 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