Just to correct my post. It is the Social Security Application and Claims Index that has two entries for her as described in my post. She is not listed in the Social Security Death Index that I can find. This seems very odd to me.
Bill On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 10:23:49 PM UTC-8, Bill Seidler wrote: > > Hi Toni, glad I could help. > > Dates of birth recorded in US records often differ from home country > records because they are often given by people who don't know the actual > birth date. If you search this group's archive you might find some very > good posts from Cheri Mello about reliability of primary source records > (such as a birth date at the time birth) compared to secondary source > records (such as a birth date at the time of death). > > Debbie's explanation of devotional names is very thorough. Confusing these > names with a mother's surname in US records is not uncommon. It happened > on my grandfather's death certificate (mother's maiden name listed as "de > Jesus" or "Dejesus". In further research you may also find that women > sometimes change their devotional names. I have an ancestor that was Rosa > dos Anjos on her first marriage but Rosa da Conceição on her second > marriage. > > The only death date I see for Virginia is from the California Death Index, > 6 Sep 1951. She has two listing in the Social Security Death index; one > with Machado spelled correctly and the other spelled Virginia MacHadeo Lima, > with a different SSN. Both are missing the death date and both have the > same birth date (16 Sep 1897) and both have the same parents' names. I > would contact Santa Clara county to get her death certificate. It cost me > $20 to get my grandfather's from Orange County. The death certificate, if > like my grandfather's will give funeral home and burial information. The > death certificate should give a certain date of death. Maybe there was a > delay in her burial or her grave was relocated in 1952. > > I hope this is helpful. > > Bill Seidler > > > > On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 7:02:41 PM UTC-8, Jesse Mendonca wrote: >> >> This naming of the women issue is why it is so helpful to have the >> baptismal and marriage records. Women generally had their first name and >> a religious name, but didn’t use their father’s surname. So Thera are tons >> of Anna de Jesus or Maria da Conceçao names out there. >> >> Here is a list from Wikipedia of names added to Maria: >> >> *Religious predicates* (often honouring one of the Virgin Mary's >> denominations): >> >> - Catholic devotion festivities: Maria da Conceição (referring to Our >> Lady of Conception), Maria das Dores (Our Lady of Sorrows), Maria da >> Assunção (Assumption of Mary >> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assumption_of_Mary>), Maria da >> Natividade (Nativity of Mary >> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nativity_of_Mary>). >> - A place of a Marian apparition >> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marian_apparitions>: Maria de Fátima( >> Fátima <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_F%C3%A1tima>), Maria >> de Lurdes (Lourdes >> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Lourdes>), Maria de la >> Salete (La Salette >> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_La_Salette>), Maria >> Aparecida (common in Brazil, after Aparecida >> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Aparecida>), Maria Nazaré >> (Nazareth <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazareth>). >> - A virtue or a nature element (many of which have lost religious >> associations nowadays): Maria do Céu (Heaven >> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven> or Sky >> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky>), Maria da Luz(Light >> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light>), Maria do Mar (Sea >> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea>), Maria da Graça(Grace >> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_grace>). >> - The name of a saint: Maria de São José (after Saint Joseph >> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Joseph>). >> >> >> I found my Anna de Jesus on her marriage record listing her fathers >> surname, Aguiar. >> >> Debbie >> >> Researching: >> >> 1. LUIZ surname— including Luiz de SOUZA, PIMENTEL, Antonio CABRAL, and >> PEREIRA—on Sao Miguel (Sao Roque, Ponta Delgada) and North Kohala, Hawaii, >> Hawaii >> >> >> 2. MENDONCA and AGUIAR on Madeira (Santana, but perhaps other places); >> Sao Paulo, Brazil; Hawi. Hawaii, Hawaii; Oakland and San Leandro, California >> >> On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 6:22 PM Antoinette Lima <limabe...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Thank you again Bill, Yes the birth and death dates are very wrong but >>> according to the Cemetery where she is buried the says date should have >>> been 1952, so they also have noted that difference too. >>> >>> I do have a question that perhaps you have the answer to. Virginia, on >>> her immigration papers and my father's birth certificate she lists her last >>> name as Conceicao and according to other documents including her birth >>> certificate it is Machado..is there a reason for that? >>> >>> Very confusing. >>> >>> On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 4:57 PM Bill Seidler <bsei...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Thank you Joe, I guess I didn't go back far enough. Parents names on >>>> this baptism match the parents name on her 1951 California Death Index >>>> listing (though he date of birth on the death index is way off, as often >>>> seems to be the case) >>>> >>>> Here is link to the record Joe provided: >>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1890-1899/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1890-1899_item1/P151.html >>>> >>>> Bill Seidler >>>> >>>> On Saturday, November 2, 2019 at 9:30:39 AM UTC-7, joe m wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Here is Virgina's birth in Ribeirinha >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 6:36 AM Bill Seidler <bsei...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello Toni and welcome to the group. I took a quick look and found >>>>>> some things that might help get you started. >>>>>> >>>>>> I believe this is your grand parents passport log entries when they >>>>>> left Terceira >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-TER-1916-1920/PASSAPORTES-TER-1916-1920_item1/P127.html >>>>>> >>>>>> (#589 and #590 on right side) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> #589 confirms that this João Barcelos Lima is from São Mateus and I >>>>>> was able to find his baptism: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-B-1890-1899/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-B-1890-1899_item1/P122.html >>>>>> >>>>>> (#36 bottom right continuing on next page) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Passport #590 says his wife Virginia Conceição de Lima is from >>>>>> Ribeirinha. Unfortunately after a quick scan I did not find a Virginia >>>>>> baptized in Ribeirinha around that time frame (that doesn't mean it is >>>>>> not >>>>>> there; I could have missed it) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This couple, along with their first child Maria, arrived in >>>>>> Providence aboard the SS Roma on 1 Feb 1920 to join his father Joao Lima >>>>>> at 77 >>>>>> Davis Street >>>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/77+Davis+Street?entry=gmail&source=g> >>>>>> >>>>>> in New Bedford and last lived in São Mateus where their contact was his >>>>>> mother Maria do Amparo. They had a few more kids in New Bedford and by >>>>>> the >>>>>> 1940 census were living in Santa Clara, California. If you have >>>>>> Ancestry.com or can visit a library to access it there is much more >>>>>> information on this couple. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Bill Seidler >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Friday, November 1, 2019 at 8:08:41 PM UTC-7, Toni Lima wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am researching my Grand parents Joao (John) Barcelos Lima and his >>>>>>> wife Virginia Conceicao. They immigrated from the island of Terceira to >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> United States in 1920 settled in New Bedford and moved to Santa Clara, >>>>>>> California some time in the 1930s. I believe they were from Sao Mateus >>>>>>> but >>>>>>> i am so new to this I am not sure how to proceed. 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