Thank you for the great article and information , I did check with our local library and they do have Ancestry there. Thank you so very much.
On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 2:19 PM Cheri Mello <[email protected]> wrote: > She didn't have to work. If she applied for her husband's she may have a > SSA-9638. Scroll down to section 3 here: > > http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/research-aids-a---l/finding-your-portuguese/finding-your-portuguese-6.html#previous-photo > > It's almost a $30 gamble though. But if it has that one piece of > information you are after, it is worth it. > > You can also try the Social Security Application and Claims Index. That's > a newer database (been out about a couple of years) and it comes closer in > time than the SSDI. It's on Ancestry. If you don't have a subscription, > your local library probably has it. > > Cheri > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > > On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 2:14 PM Antoinette Lima <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Thank you Cheri, >> >> I was wondering about that, she may not have even applied for one, she as >> far as I know she never worked outside of the house. >> >> On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 2:04 PM Cheri Mello <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Antoinette, >>> >>> I think that the only people that appear in the Social Security Death >>> Index are the ones who had the benefit paid out on them. If no benefit was >>> collected, then they don't appear. That's what I seem to remember. >>> >>> Cheri >>> Cheri Mello >>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 2:02 PM Antoinette Lima <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Thank you Bill, >>>> >>>> yes I agree with you, I need to get a copy of Virginia's death >>>> certificate. I have never been able to find her in the Social Security >>>> death index, the date I had assumed was her birth date was 1901 from her >>>> gravestone, but according to Joao's naturalization records (thank you Joe >>>> M.), all of her immigration records and my father's birth records shows >>>> that she was born in 1893..and stayed that way on the census records till >>>> 1940 when she had gotten a few years "younger", the grave also shows >>>> 9/6/1951 as her death date, but when I contacted the cemetery they said >>>> their records shows it as 1952. >>>> >>>> I'm thinking the children did this from memory which sometimes is not a >>>> good thing, unfortunately I have no one left to contact with first hand >>>> information. >>>> >>>> >>>> Again thank for all your help >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 10:39 PM Bill Seidler <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Just to correct my post. It is the Social Security Application and >>>>> Claims Index that has two entries for her as described in my post. She is >>>>> not listed in the Social Security Death Index that I can find. This seems >>>>> very odd to me. >>>>> >>>>> Bill >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 10:23:49 PM UTC-8, Bill Seidler >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Toni, glad I could help. >>>>>> >>>>>> Dates of birth recorded in US records often differ from home country >>>>>> records because they are often given by people who don't know the actual >>>>>> birth date. If you search this group's archive you might find some very >>>>>> good posts from Cheri Mello about reliability of primary source records >>>>>> (such as a birth date at the time birth) compared to secondary source >>>>>> records (such as a birth date at the time of death). >>>>>> >>>>>> Debbie's explanation of devotional names is very thorough. Confusing >>>>>> these names with a mother's surname in US records is not uncommon. It >>>>>> happened on my grandfather's death certificate (mother's maiden name >>>>>> listed >>>>>> as "de Jesus" or "Dejesus". In further research you may also find that >>>>>> women sometimes change their devotional names. I have an ancestor that >>>>>> was >>>>>> Rosa dos Anjos on her first marriage but Rosa da Conceição on her second >>>>>> marriage. >>>>>> >>>>>> The only death date I see for Virginia is from the California Death >>>>>> Index, 6 Sep 1951. She has two listing in the Social Security Death >>>>>> index; >>>>>> one with Machado spelled correctly and the other spelled Virginia >>>>>> MacHadeo Lima, with a different SSN. Both are missing the death >>>>>> date and both have the same birth date (16 Sep 1897) and both have the >>>>>> same >>>>>> parents' names. I would contact Santa Clara county to get her death >>>>>> certificate. It cost me $20 to get my grandfather's from Orange County. >>>>>> The death certificate, if like my grandfather's will give funeral home >>>>>> and >>>>>> burial information. The death certificate should give a certain date of >>>>>> death. Maybe there was a delay in her burial or her grave was relocated >>>>>> in >>>>>> 1952. >>>>>> >>>>>> I hope this is helpful. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bill Seidler >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 7:02:41 PM UTC-8, Jesse Mendonca >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This naming of the women issue is why it is so helpful to have the >>>>>>> baptismal and marriage records. Women generally had their first name >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> a religious name, but didn’t use their father’s surname. So Thera are >>>>>>> tons >>>>>>> of Anna de Jesus or Maria da Conceçao names out there. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Here is a list from Wikipedia of names added to Maria: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Religious predicates* (often honouring one of the Virgin Mary's >>>>>>> denominations): >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - Catholic devotion festivities: Maria da Conceição (referring >>>>>>> to Our Lady of Conception), Maria das Dores (Our Lady of >>>>>>> Sorrows), Maria da Assunção (Assumption of Mary >>>>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assumption_of_Mary>), Maria da >>>>>>> Natividade (Nativity of Mary >>>>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nativity_of_Mary>). >>>>>>> - A place of a Marian apparition >>>>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marian_apparitions>: Maria de >>>>>>> Fátima(Fátima >>>>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_F%C3%A1tima>), Maria >>>>>>> de Lurdes (Lourdes >>>>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Lourdes>), Maria de >>>>>>> la Salete (La Salette >>>>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_La_Salette>), Maria >>>>>>> Aparecida (common in Brazil, after Aparecida >>>>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Aparecida>), Maria >>>>>>> Nazaré(Nazareth <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazareth>). >>>>>>> - A virtue or a nature element (many of which have lost >>>>>>> religious associations nowadays): Maria do Céu (Heaven >>>>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven> or Sky >>>>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky>), Maria da Luz(Light >>>>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light>), Maria do Mar (Sea >>>>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea>), Maria da Graça(Grace >>>>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_grace>). >>>>>>> - The name of a saint: Maria de São José (after Saint Joseph >>>>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Joseph>). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I found my Anna de Jesus on her marriage record listing her fathers >>>>>>> surname, Aguiar. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Debbie >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Researching: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. LUIZ surname— including Luiz de SOUZA, PIMENTEL, Antonio CABRAL, >>>>>>> and PEREIRA—on Sao Miguel (Sao Roque, Ponta Delgada) and North Kohala, >>>>>>> Hawaii, Hawaii >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2. MENDONCA and AGUIAR on Madeira (Santana, but perhaps other >>>>>>> places); Sao Paulo, Brazil; Hawi. Hawaii, Hawaii; Oakland and San >>>>>>> Leandro, >>>>>>> California >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 6:22 PM Antoinette Lima <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you again Bill, Yes the birth and death dates are very wrong >>>>>>>> but according to the Cemetery where she is buried the says date should >>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>> been 1952, so they also have noted that difference too. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I do have a question that perhaps you have the answer to. Virginia, >>>>>>>> on her immigration papers and my father's birth certificate she lists >>>>>>>> her >>>>>>>> last name as Conceicao and according to other documents including her >>>>>>>> birth >>>>>>>> certificate it is Machado..is there a reason for that? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Very confusing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 4:57 PM Bill Seidler <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you Joe, I guess I didn't go back far enough. Parents names >>>>>>>>> on this baptism match the parents name on her 1951 California Death >>>>>>>>> Index >>>>>>>>> listing (though he date of birth on the death index is way off, as >>>>>>>>> often >>>>>>>>> seems to be the case) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Here is link to the record Joe provided: >>>>>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1890-1899/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1890-1899_item1/P151.html >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Bill Seidler >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Saturday, November 2, 2019 at 9:30:39 AM UTC-7, joe m wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Here is Virgina's birth in Ribeirinha >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 6:36 AM Bill Seidler <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hello Toni and welcome to the group. I took a quick look and >>>>>>>>>>> found some things that might help get you started. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I believe this is your grand parents passport log entries when >>>>>>>>>>> they left Terceira >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-TER-1916-1920/PASSAPORTES-TER-1916-1920_item1/P127.html >>>>>>>>>>> (#589 and #590 on right side) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> #589 confirms that this João Barcelos Lima is from São Mateus >>>>>>>>>>> and I was able to find his baptism: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-B-1890-1899/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-B-1890-1899_item1/P122.html >>>>>>>>>>> (#36 bottom right continuing on next page) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Passport #590 says his wife Virginia Conceição de Lima is from >>>>>>>>>>> Ribeirinha. Unfortunately after a quick scan I did not find a >>>>>>>>>>> Virginia >>>>>>>>>>> baptized in Ribeirinha around that time frame (that doesn't mean it >>>>>>>>>>> is not >>>>>>>>>>> there; I could have missed it) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This couple, along with their first child Maria, arrived in >>>>>>>>>>> Providence aboard the SS Roma on 1 Feb 1920 to join his father Joao >>>>>>>>>>> Lima at 77 >>>>>>>>>>> Davis Street >>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/77+Davis+Street?entry=gmail&source=g> >>>>>>>>>>> in New Bedford and last lived in São Mateus where their contact was >>>>>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>>>>> mother Maria do Amparo. They had a few more kids in New Bedford and >>>>>>>>>>> by the >>>>>>>>>>> 1940 census were living in Santa Clara, California. If you have >>>>>>>>>>> Ancestry.com or can visit a library to access it there is much more >>>>>>>>>>> information on this couple. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Bill Seidler >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 1, 2019 at 8:08:41 PM UTC-7, Toni Lima wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I am researching my Grand parents Joao (John) Barcelos Lima and >>>>>>>>>>>> his wife Virginia Conceicao. They immigrated from the island of >>>>>>>>>>>> Terceira to >>>>>>>>>>>> the United States in 1920 settled in New Bedford and moved to >>>>>>>>>>>> Santa Clara, >>>>>>>>>>>> California some time in the 1930s. I believe they were from Sao >>>>>>>>>>>> Mateus but >>>>>>>>>>>> i am so new to this I am not sure how to proceed. 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